Monday, October 17, 2016


Yesterday on television, Rudy Giuliani was rabble-rousing:
"I'm sorry, dead people generally vote for Democrats rather than Republicans," the former New York City mayor told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "You want me to (say) that I think the election in Philadelphia and Chicago is going to be fair? I would have to be a moron to say that."

But he did say the amount of cheating would only impact extremely close races -- noting, for example, if either Trump or Hillary Clinton won Pennsylvania by "5 points," the cheating he alleges would occur would be negligible and not change the outcome....

He said elections fraud would only make a difference in a 1 to 2 percentage point races.

He also said that only Democrats do it, because it happens in inner cities.
Here's what Giuliani said specifically, according to the transcript:
GIULIANI: Look, if she wins Illinois by 8 percent or he wins Illinois by 8 percent, then that cheating is going to make any difference.

If he wins Pennsylvania by 5, or she wins by 5, it will make no difference. If it's a one- or two-point race, it could make a difference in a few places.
So, according to Giuliani, a statewide election in Illinois or Pennsylvania that's within 1 or 2 points can be stolen through Democratic electoral fraud.

In that case, why is Mark Kirk a U.S. senator from Illinois? In 2010, he beat Democrat Alexi Giannoulias 48.0%-46.4% -- a 1.6-point margin. Why didn't the evil Democrat machine in Chicago go to the graveyard and find the extra votes to put Giannoulias over the top?

And why is Pat Toomey a U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania? In 2010, he beat Democrat Joe Sestak 51%-49% -- a 2-point margin. Why didn't cheating in Philadelphia give Sestak the win?

Here's what Giuliani said about his own experiences:'
GIULIANI: ... I know that from my own knowledge of bussing people in from Camden. When I ran for mayor of New York City the first time, some people voted eight and 10 times. And the second time, I had -- I had firefighters and police officers outside checking on the buses, so we take down the number of the bus. The bus had voted 10 times. And then we wouldn't let the bus vote again.
Is he saying that voters were bused into New York City from Camden, New Jersey? Much of New Jersey is within commuting distance from New York, but Camden isn't -- it's in the southwestern part of the state, just across the Delaware River from Philadelphia. Why the hell would Giuliani's alleged New York City cheaters bus in illegal voters from Camden?

And is he saying that his campaign deployed firefighters and cops to, in effect, stop and frisk these buses? Rudy Giuliani lost his first race for mayor, in 1989. He was a private citizen the second time he ran, in 1993, when he won. Is he saying that even before he was mayor he had a private vigilante squad of cops and firefighters to prevent vote fraud? Is anyone else disturbed by that idea?


Nefer said...

"When I ran for mayor of New York City the first time, some people voted eight and 10 times."
Oh, horseshit.

Victor said...

At this point in his miserable life, GHOULiani is like a septic tank:

He's getting exactly like t-RUMP - he has no idea what he's talking about, but says stupid shit anyway just to keep on getting attention

Three weeks and a day, and then these assholes will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Of course, we'll live with the ramifications of the open bigotry of the GOP's campaign, for a long, long, time!!!

Jeff said...

His response to the comment that voter fraud isn't rampant was to respond that it didn't come from someone who had experience prosecuting voter fraud like he had. I wish somebody would ask him how many voter fraud cases he successfully prosecuted in his 6 years as AG. If it was such a common problem, you would think he would be bragging about the numbers.

Jimbo said...

In 2012, Indiana GOP Secretary of State Charlie White was convicted on six felony counts, including theft and voter fraud — a crime he was supposed to prevent as the state's top election official. In VA, I think that same year, a GOP registration official was arrested for voter fraud. A GOP voter that year was arrested for voting multiple times in WI and IL. Ghouliani is simply doing what all other GOP bloviators do - psychological projection.

Anonymous said...

This is turning out to be as effective a GOTV as marijuana on the ballot. Almost as if it were part of a plan.

Or sham,
Ten Bears

Procopius said...

He also said that in 1982 he was an "associate attorney general" (I don't know what it is, just what he said) and they worked on a case where 750 dead people voted. He didn't say if they prosecuted anybody or challenged the votes, just that he knows from his own experience because he worked on it. Does anybody have any way of finding out what "attorney general" that was and if such an investigation was actually done, and if there was any result? Or was it like all the cases the States Attorneys got fired for because try as hard as they might they couldn't make a case worth taking to court? Oh, never mind, I'm pretty sure Rudy is either suffering from dementia or Alzheimer's or just plain unskillfully lying.

Glitterbug said...

There are plenty of THOSE people just a short train/car ride away in Jersey City and Newark.

Nobody would bus fake voters 90 miles from Camden.

jsrtheta said...

What a fucking idiot.

No, Rudy. Just no. It doesn't work like that, and didn't work like that when you were running.

Fucking liar. This guy has proven, unfortunately, what a fraud he has always been.

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