Friday, August 14, 2015


So, as Caitlin Cruz of Talking Points Memo reported, this happened yesterday:
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) said on Thursday during a campaign stop in Iowa that "taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal," according to multiple reports.
Time magazine also reported this:
Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush on Thursday declined to rule out resuming the use of torture under some circumstances by the U.S. government.
Does thar mean Jeb is starting to talk like a Trumpian tough guy? TPM's Josh Marshall seems to think so, or at least that he's reverting to a preppy, familial version of Trumpism:
You listen to Jeb and his language and you see palpably that this is a family drama in which he has inevitably taken sides and is too invested and too proud to try to conceal it in public. Even when it is clearly in his own self-interest.

Even the language has that weird brand of tough guy braggadocio that can't break free of the yacht basin or even quite want to. Swaggering Biff.
I dunno. I'd say he's Non-Swaggering Biff. Here's more from Caitlin Cruz's story on the Saddam quote:
The [Daily] Beast reported that Bush went on to say he didn't want to hypothesize about what would have happened if his brother, former President George W. Bush, had not ordered the invasion of Iraq, which led to the toppling of Hussein.

"Then that's back to the future and you could make a movie," Jeb Bush said, according to the Beast.
No, that's not swagger.

And, in fact, even the "deal" quote itself sounds wimpy, as reported by CNN:
But when asked if ISIS would be a problem today if the United States hadn't invade Iraq in the first place, Bush didn't have as firm of an answer.

"That is such a complicated hypothetical," he said. "I'll tell you, though, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a good deal."
The same goes for Jeb's full statement on torture. This is from the Time story:
“I don’t want to make a definitive, blanket kind of statement,” Bush told an audience of Iowa Republicans, when asked whether he would keep in place or repeal President Barack Obama’s executive order banning so-called enhanced interrogation techniques by the CIA.

“This is something that I’m actually struggling with because I’m running for president ... and when you are president your words matter,” he said.

The former Florida governor said that in general, he believes torture is inappropriate, and that he was glad his brother, former President George W. Bush, largely ended the CIA’s use of the techniques before he left office.
Donald Trump has a toxic level of swagger, but for a presidential candidate, swagger in appropriate amounts is a good thing. Jeb works himself up to an eentsy level of swagger on rare occasions, mostly in connection to his family, especially his cocksure failure of a brother. Apart from that, he's swaggerless. This year, that doesn't seem to be a good posture in the GOP.


Victor said...

Jeb(!) needs "Swagger Lessons!"

Compared to Trump, he's a "squish" in the eyes of the GOP voters:
A mere meek millionaire, not a pompous billionaire.

I expect he or Gov. Snotty Wanker will be the eventual nominee - with either Rubio, Ben Carson, or Fiorino as VP.

Unknown said...

Jeb is on his "whitewash my brother's record" tour. It was all Obama's fault, apparently.

Feud Turgidson said...

John Taylor, Yeah, I too was impressed with the essential Slate-ness of the Jeb! [more likely BushCo.] assessment (to say nothing of its Ace of Spades HQ-ness), and it's stirring to contemplate the intellectual rigor that might have been (tho most surely was not) applied.

But there's a quibble, one I can't seem to get rid of: the impression that it's just possible that if "the American people", or even we the subject of the belief world of insane fits their brains are stuck in, were to end up with Jeb! as their president, there'd be a dangerous amount of mass added to the 'Least Curious' POTUS standings, but more importantly the'Profiles in Cowardice meter' would completely melt down, leading to an endless cycle of incidents that parallel the horror he visited on anyone in or around the family of Terry Schiavo. The P in POTUS would stand for Putz, and we'd become the US of Putzie.

Marcus said...

He has always followed his father advise and did what he was told....for the administrative part it usually exposed on his own he just doesn't have the political talent of his brother even though he is more competent
Trump new this from the very beginning...where the media didn't...that had some impact on going in...
Funny how the media don't talk about Christie anymore....some characteristics are similar to Trump....but he is politically stupid...and that can't self correct...poor wall street lose Christie and JEB not a good time

Unknown said...

Hey, we took out Hitler so WW ll was a great deal after all.

Feud Turgidson said...

Unknown, I was Unknown before you were Unknown, so in the interests of clarity, hereafter I will self-identify "Unknown" [per this website's reader ID system) and "Unknowns" [within the body of the comment, starting it in fact], thereby associating myself with the family or generic Unknowns, not just some riff raff claiming unknown status.