Tuesday, September 03, 2013

MOST OF THEM JUST BELONG TO THE "OBAMA SUCKS" WING OF THE PARTY

I think reports of a Republican crack-up are greatly exaggerated. From The New York Times:
Vote on Syria Sets Up Foreign Policy Clash Between 2 Wings of G.O.P.

The Congressional vote on whether to strike Syria will offer the best insight yet on which wing of the Republican Party -- the traditional hawks, or a growing bloc of noninterventionists -- has the advantage in the fierce internal debates over foreign policy that have been taking place all year.

Republican divisions on national security have flared over the use of drones, aid to Egypt and the surveillance practices of the National Security Agency, and the tensions have played out publicly in battles between Senator John McCain of Arizona, a former Navy pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war, and Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, a libertarian-leaning freshman. Mr. McCain memorably called Mr. Paul and his compatriots "wacko birds," and Mr. Paul suggested that hawks like Mr. McCain were "moss covered."

But those intermittent spats could pale in comparison with the fight over whether to attack Syria, an issue on which Mr. McCain, a former Republican presidential candidate, and Mr. Paul, a possible contender in 2016, will almost certainly be the leading spokesmen for their party's two wings.
That's a great hook for a story, but when you read some of the story's quotes, you see that most skeptical Republicans just disagree with the specific approach of the White House, or wish to punish the president, or both. It isn't that they have a categorical distrust of the notion of intervention:
...even Republicans who are not active supporters of Mr. Paul recognize that the country and their party are susceptible to a come-home-America message at a moment of war weariness and, among conservatives, profound distrust toward Mr. Obama.

"Americans have become increasingly inured to events thousands of miles away, within a distant and disconnected culture," said a longtime Republican strategist, Alex Castellanos, citing a nation "exhausted by crises." "They know our country is already overextended and doubt leaders who tell them there are 'no good options' but demand we choose one anyway."

As a result, Mr. Castellanos said, "Rand Paul is actually in sync with a crisis-weary America and a fatigued G.O.P."

... Senior House Republican aides said there was little appetite in conservative districts for a strike on Syria, and, as one put it, "the administration doesn't have one red cent of credibility in the bank" with members of Congress.
Even the neocons and other hawks underatand what's really motivating the skeptics:
The hope among these interventionists is that they can make the vote less about enabling a despised Democratic president and more about sending a message not just to Syria but also to a potentially more dangerous nation: Iran.

"Right now, the easy Republican vote looks like the vote against Obama," said Michael Goldfarb, a neoconservative lobbyist and writer....

"We cannot make this about the president versus Congress or him shuffling off responsibility," Mr. Rogers, the Michigan Republican, said Sunday on "State of the Union" on CNN.
But if the no voters prevail, it's going to be precisely because Republicans don't feel like "enabling a despised Democratic president." It's going to be precisely about "the president versus Congress or him shuffling off responsibility." At the other end, it may be about some hawks thinking the policy isn't hawkish enough.

The point is, these Republican skeptics aren't purist Paulite anti-interventionists. They're going to do a 180 and support intervention as soon as the war drums are being pounded by President Christie or President Walker or, for that matter, President Paul (who sometimes talks more like a neocon than like a committed isolationist).

So relax, old-school hawks. This isn't about principle. It's purely situational.

2 comments:

Victor said...

Yup.

The modern Conservative (bowel) Movement, and the Republican Party, have devolved to the point where they have no new ideas, no solutions to offer - and everything they think, and everything they do, is reactive.

Besides their eternal core Manichean beliefs of Christian and white racial superiority, misogyny, xenophobia, and/or homophobia, they wait for Liberals/Progressives/Democrats to take a position, and then they oppose it.

Even if the Liberals new position was their position, just a short time ago.

And so, if a Republican is elected President in 2016 or 2020, s/he won't even have to beat on the drums of war to get instant Republican approval for any, and all, military action.

A simple tap, will do.

Philo Vaihinger said...

But if the no voters prevail, it's going to be precisely because Republicans don't feel like "enabling a despised Democratic president." It's going to be precisely about "the president versus Congress or him shuffling off responsibility." At the other end, it may be about some hawks thinking the policy isn't hawkish enough.

Works for me.

Any reason is a good reason to not intervene.

And the Democrats?

Nothing to say about them?