Monday, August 15, 2016


Today, Rudy Giuliani gave George W. Bush a mulligan for 9/11:
Speaking in Youngstown, Ohio ahead of Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, who was the mayor of New York City on 9/11, declared that Islamic extremists hadn't carried out any terror attacks on American soil before Barack Obama's presidency.

"Under those 8 years, before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack in the US," Giuliani told the crowd. "They all started when Clinton and Obama came into office."
Giuliani has said this before:
It's not the first time Giuliani has made remarks that seemed to gloss over the terror attacks that left nearly 3,000 dead and that defined him in the eyes of many Americans. While suggesting in 2010 that Obama could stand to take some cues from George W. Bush, the former mayor claimed, "We had no domestic attacks under Bush."
Somewhat awkwardly, Giuliani is disagreeing with the man for whom he's a surrogate, Donald Trump, and disagreeing with Trump's mortal enemy Jeb Bush.

Recall the presidential debate in September in which Trump attacked the former president and brother Jeb defended him:
Republican frontrunner Donald Trump needled the former Florida governor ..., saying that he opposed the Iraq war from the start. “Your brother and your brother’s administration gave us Barack Obama because it was such a disaster those last three months that Abraham Lincoln couldn’t have been elected,” Trump asserted.

Bush was backed into a corner. “You know what? As it relates to my brother, there is one thing I know for sure, he kept us safe,” he said.
Jeb used that line a number of times. And while his campaign was an utter failure, the line about his brother got big applause.

Jeb poll-tested the line. It was a big winner:
According to a 112-page PowerPoint document that was presented to Bush donors in Houston last weekend (and leaked to U.S. News), the Bush team conducted a poll from Oct. 13-17 to test voter reaction to the assertion that "Former President George W. Bush was successful in keeping us safe while he was in office."

The poll, of 1,515 likely primary and caucus voters, found overwhelming GOP approval of George W. Bush. In Iowa, 54 percent strongly agreed with the "kept us safe" statement, while another 31 percent agreed, but not strongly — for a total of 85 percent agreement. Seven percent strongly disagreed that G.W. Bush kept us safe, and another five percent disagreed, but not strongly -- for a total of 12 percent disagreement.

In New Hampshire, the Bush pollsters found that 76 percent of GOP voters agreed with "kept us safe," while 21 percent disagreed, and in South Carolina, 77 percent agreed with "kept us safe," while 20 percent disagreed.
Note that the poll question didn't say W kept us safe after 9/11 -- it said "Former president George W. Bush was successful in keeping us safe while he was in office," period. GOP voters overwhelmingly agreed:

So, Trump notwithstanding, the vast majority of the party gives W that mulligan.


KenRight said...

Right. Trump is trying to change that in his semi-consistent way.
Ron Paul gave Giuliani the imperialist creeps in the primary prez debate when Paul correctly called 9-11-2001 an understandable revenge attack due to repeated and unneeded bloody interventions in the Muslim world.

Ten Bears said...

OK Steve, I've honored the "9.11" rule here for more years than I care to remember. Others have been deleted.

jsrtheta said...

You can't blame Bush for not stopping 9/11. It's not like he ignored any warnings or anything.

Oh, wait.

Never Ben Better said...

Look, obviously 9/11 was Clinton's fault, not Bush's, for not getting Bin Laden before anyone knew how dangerous he was. And the timing? Details, shmetails.

CF2K said...

Hey, it wasn't W's fault that Bill couldn't Dag the Wog when he had the chance.

Ten Bears said...

Dag the Wog: rolling on the floor laughing my ass off. I'd love to see an elaboration on that.

Feud Turgidson said...

Fee fees
Whoa whoa
Fee fees
Precious GOPer fee fees ...

Minister O said...

Personal responsibility is a weapon, nothing more. These people never take responsibility for their colossal cockups.

Who repealed Glass-Steagall again? Why do Democrats own that? Seriously.

It was the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999. Note the names of three Republicans. Republicans had the majority in both houses and 98% voted for it. Only 6 Republicans voted against it, vs 58 Democrats.

Somehow, thought, the party of personal responsibility blames President Clinton and never acknowledges its role.

CH said...

A couple of reasons why the D's should bear a part of the responsibility for the GLBA: a majority of the House D's (though not of the Senate D's) supported it in successive votes, and Clinton neither threatened nor exercised a veto. I think it's fair to call it a fine example of bipartisanship as we have come to know and love/loathe it.

Anonymous said...

I'm just puzzled that this audience allows "Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall" to go uncontested, because it was bipartisan - and more R than D. The bill arrived on Clinton's desk with a veto-proof majority and the support of more than 98% of Republicans in both houses of Congress.

Now reinstatement of Glass-Steagall is part of the Republican party platform, their leading role in repealing it lost to the memory hole. When will Republicans take responsibility for their failures?