Supermercado Batocchio, in Resistencia, Argentina. |
Batocchio's annual Jon Swift Roundup (the Best Posts of the Year, Chosen by the Bloggers Themselves) is up.
Supermercado Batocchio, in Resistencia, Argentina. |
Batocchio's annual Jon Swift Roundup (the Best Posts of the Year, Chosen by the Bloggers Themselves) is up.
Pulled from the archives, Christmas 2015:
Reproduction of an Orthodox icon of Saints Sergius and Bacchus (Sergios and Vachos), by Theophanis the Cretan (1545), Monastery of Dionysiou Mount Athos, via Paracletos. |
I was interested to read an article by Thomas V. DiBacco in the Wall Street Journal. (By the way, it would be interesting if Professor DiBacco disliked wine — as his name means “of Bacchus.”) The article begins...Sadly, no. I mean, it doesn't mean "of Bacchus" in the sense of the wine god, most likely, as paganism was pretty dead by the time the Italian personal naming system got going, though it could conceivably be after the Saint Bacchus who was martyred at Barbalissos in Syria around the beginning of the 4th century, after being paraded in drag around town with his companion Saint Sergius, who appeared to Sergius after his death, encouraging him to face martyrdom as well so that they could be together for eternity, which Sergius did. Their vita describes them as erastai, which could be translated "lovers", and some scholars have thought of them as Christianity's prototype example same-sex marriage, united in the ritual of adelphopoiesis, though this is of course widely disputed.
Relief crew here wishing you the very best holidays, sorry I've been tied up!
One thing I think people are missing is the significance of the scene in the president-elect's box at the Army-Navy football game on December 14, where so many symbolic meetings seemed to be occurring, from Vice President–Elect Vance bringing killer Daniel Penny as his plus-one to the rival secretary of defense candidates Hegseth and DeSantis, but business appeared to be getting done in the deep conversations of Trump, House Speaker Mike Johnson, and Senate Majority Leader–Designate John Thune. The world's richest man, Elon Musk, brought a small boy, one of his numerous progeny, but in many of the pictures he looked like a stranger trying to photobomb the event, lonely and wistful, with an oddly large head.
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We know what Trump and the congressional leaders were talking about, and it wasn't Musk's many interesting plans for cutting government spending. It was the urgent continuing budget resolution they were planning to vote on in the House on Wednesday the 18th, to prevent a government shutdown on Friday, in fact, and Trump was pushing some new demands in the opposite direction; instead of the resolution they planned, to carry them just to March, forcing them to go through the same thing in a matter of a few months, he wanted them to extend spending out for a full year, until next December, which I think would have been impossible to manage before the deadline, and in addition he wanted them to include a provision suspending the debt ceiling, the thing Democrats usually have to beg Republicans to help them with, because the Republicans are so famously conservative about the national debt.
(The debt ceiling is currently suspended, under the terms of an earlier deal; that's not what would have shut the government down when the deal expired on January 1, but it will shut it down fairly soon, maybe mid-June, at current spending levels, so they most likely will need to re-suspend the debt ceiling, or eliminate it permanently as Trump apparently suggested in his conversation with Johnson and Thune.)
So my theory is Musk didn't enjoy this. His plan to cut two and a half trillion dollars from the national debt was not being taken seriously (he didn't actually have a plan, but everyone should have understood that he was so smart it would happen before you knew it). Trump was going ahead on the assumption that he'd be adding $7.7 trillion over the next ten years. Musk was being slighted.
So, naturally, when the actual text of the bill (without suspension of the debt limit) was posted on Tuesday he turned to Twitter (I still mostly call it Twitter), as one does, for comfort and assistance, essentially inviting followers to do his research for him, on how terrible the bill was
And they obliged with a torrent of misinformation, which he happily reposted all night long, as Brad DeLong writes,
Wielding the social media platform he purchased for $44 billion in 2022, Mr. Musk detonated a rhetorical nuclear bomb in the middle of government shutdown negotiations on Capitol Hill.The story I'm quoting, from The New York Times, goes on to say:
In more than 150 separate posts on X, Mr. Musk demanded that Republicans back away from a bipartisan spending deal that was meant to avoid a government shutdown over Christmas. He vowed political retribution against anyone voting for the sprawling bill backed by House Speaker Mike Johnson....
By the end of the day, Mr. Trump issued a statement of his own, calling the bill “a betrayal of our country.”
But left unclear was whether Mr. Musk is a loose cannon pursuing his own agenda or the tool that Mr. Trump envisioned to rein in an out-of-control bureaucracy....Would this have happened without Musk? He seemed to be driving the bus yesterday, until Trump remembered that he's supposed to be the alpha dog, at which point he and J.D. Vance suddenly demanded an increase in the debt ceiling now, on President Biden's watch, so a fight over the debt ceiling doesn't interfere with Trump's plans once he's inaugurated.
There is a large graveyard filled with my enemies.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 21, 2023
I do not wish to add to it, but will if given no choice.
Those who pick fights with me do so at their own peril, but maybe this is their lucky day …
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2024
The Democratic Party lacks the energy of a determined opposition — it is adrift, listless in the wake of defeat. Too many elected Democrats seem ready to concede that Trump is some kind of an avatar for the national spirit — a living embodiment of the American people. They’ve accepted his proposed nominees as legitimate and entertained surrender under the guise of political reconciliation.To which Democrats reply: Yup, that's right. ABC reports:
Democrats have a plan to take back power in Washington back from Republicans in two years: work with them now.Democrats have decided that the last thing they want to do is replicate their actions after the 2016 election. They're treating resistance as a spectacular failure, even though we all know that resistance worked.
Democrats, who are already planning their comeback after being swept out of power in Washington last month, have said they'll oppose President-elect Donald Trump and his allies when their values collide but are open to cooperation on a range of issues, including immigration, federal spending and entitlements.
The strategy marks a turnaround from 2017, when "resistance" to Trump was Democrats' rallying cry.
marks a challenge to Republicans for bipartisanship at a time when narrow GOP congressional majorities will likely mandate some level of cooperation.Why do Democrats believe narrow majorities "will likely mandate some level of cooperation"? Trump plans to do many things through executive orders and sheer brazenness. The Leonard Leo federal courts will almost certainly let him operate that way. And where laws need to be passed, narrow GOP majorities won't be a problem, because Republicans are very good at voting in lockstep.
If Democrats ... want voters to blame Trump for any price hikes during his administration, they need to do everything they can now, in as dramatic a fashion as they can manage, to make Trump the culprit — to give voters a language with which they can express their anger at the status quo.Right -- because when you're echoing the GOP's message that Republicans are awesome, and you're implicitly echoing the GOP's other message, which is that Democrats are terrible, you make it easy for Trump and the GOP to blame future tariff-driven price hikes or future foreign policy instability on President Biden.
If Democrats want voters to blame Trump for any potential foreign policy failures, they must work now to highlight and emphasize the extent to which the president-elect wants a more or less inexperienced set of hacks and dilettantes to lead the nation’s national security establishment. Even something as obvious as the connection between Trump’s billionaire allies and his support for large, upper-income tax cuts has to be dramatized and made apparent to the voting electorate.
Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is fighting to keep Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) out of a senior position on an important committee.This happened despite the fact that Connolly is 74 years old and has esophageal cancer.
Despite her absence from the Capitol as she recovers from hip replacement surgery in Luxembourg, Pelosi has been whipping votes to kill Ocasio-Cortez’s bid to become the ranking member on the House Oversight Committee....
The party’s steering committee selected Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA), who had the backing of Pelosi, over Ocasio-Cortez during its meeting Monday evening, and the New Democrat Coalition, a center-left group of House Democrats, endorsed Connolly on Friday. Pelosi has been making calls and campaigning on behalf of Connolly, according to Punchbowl News and Axios.
Trump’s popular-vote margin has shrunk to about 1.5 percent—one of the tightest in the past half century—and because some votes went to third-party and independent candidates, he’ll fall just short of winning a majority of the vote nationwide. Compared with incumbent governments elsewhere in the world, Democrats’ losses were modest. And in the House, they gained a seat, leaving the GOP with the second-smallest majority in history.This is good news, but we've known it for weeks! The Cook Political Report's popular vote tally had Trump below 50%, and his margin of victory below 2%, a month ago.
As votes continue to be counted, Trump has fallen below 50%. More Americans voted against him than for him for the 3rd election in a row. #NoMajorityNoMandate
— Patrick S. Tomlinson (@stealthygeek.bsky.social) November 16, 2024 at 10:09 AM
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Five days after last month’s election, Senator Chris Murphy rendered a damning verdict on his party’s performance. “That was a cataclysm,” the Connecticut Democrat wrote on X. “Electoral map wipeout.” Donald Trump had won both the popular vote and the biggest Electoral College victory—312 to 226—for any Republican since 1988; Democrats had lost their Senate majority and appeared unlikely to retake the House. The Democratic Party had lost touch with far too many American voters, Murphy concluded: “We are beyond small fixes.”But we have updated numbers and Murphy is still talking this way (as are many other Democrats), telling The Atlantic,
“There becomes a real dishonesty and inauthenticity within our party if we look at this last election as too close to call or good spots and bad spots.”And Rob Flaherty, deputy campaign manager for Kamala Harris, tells Semafor,
“You don’t get a national eight-point shift to the right without losing hold of culture.”We have no idea what's about to happen, and we can't be at all certain that there'll be contested elections in the future. But if there are, remember: There was a 26-point shift to the Democrats in 1964: after what was effectively a tie in 1960, Lyndon Johnson won in 1964 by a 61.1%-38.5% margin. Had Republicans "lost hold of the culture"? Maybe Goldwater Republicans had (although they'd seize the zeitgeist sixteen years later). But the GOP gained 3 Senate seats and 47 House seats in 1966, then won the presidency back in 1968, then won a 1964-size landslide in 1972.
ABC News is set to pay $15 million to settle a defamation lawsuit brought by Donald J. Trump....The Walt Disney Company, which owns ABC, clearly felt it had a lot to lose by pursuing this case. Last year, Disney floated the idea of selling off ABC, the local TV stations it owns, and other "linear" TV networks. Disney announced that it had decided not to sell late last year, but maybe the company has been assuming that it can sell the assets now because the a new administration is less focused on antitrust issues. Trump, being a Republican, certainly doesn't care about industry consolidation, but he could have prevented a sale out of sheer spite, and he would have. And who knows what else he might have done to Disney and its key players?
Mr. Trump sued ABC and Mr. Stephanopoulos in March, after the anchor asked Representative Nancy Mace, Republican of South Carolina, who has spoken publicly about being raped as a teenager, why she had continued to support Mr. Trump after he was found “liable for rape” in a 2023 civil case in Manhattan.
In that case, a federal jury found Mr. Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming the writer E. Jean Carroll, but it did not find him liable for rape. Still, the judge who oversaw the proceeding later clarified that because of New York’s narrow legal definition of rape, the jury’s verdict did not mean that Ms. Carroll had “failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
The lawyer helping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming Trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, which for decades has protected millions of people from a virus that can cause paralysis or death.Mitch McConnell, a survivor of childhood polio, responded:
That campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, Aaron Siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds.
Mr. Siri has also filed a petition seeking to pause the distribution of 13 other vaccines; challenged, and in some cases quashed, Covid vaccine mandates around the country; sued federal agencies for the disclosure of records related to vaccine approvals; and subjected prominent vaccine scientists to grueling videotaped depositions.
Without naming Mr. Kennedy, Mr. McConnell suggested that the petition could jeopardize his confirmation to be health secretary in the incoming Trump administration.This doesn't mean McConnell will be a no vote. We know that McConnell denounced the January 6 insurrection both privately and publicly, but he voted to acquit Donald Trump in the Senate trial following Trump's impeachment on January 6 charges. It's possible that McConnell hopes other Republicans will turn against Kennedy so he'll withdraw. McConnell doesn't have the spine to oppose Kennedy now, and he won't have the spine to vote no if his no vote could be decisive.
“Efforts to undermine public confidence in proven cures are not just uninformed — they’re dangerous,” said Mr. McConnell, who is stepping down as his party’s Senate leader next month but could remain a pivotal vote in Mr. Kennedy’s confirmation. “Anyone seeking the Senate’s consent to serve in the incoming administration would do well to steer clear of even the appearance of association with such efforts.”
Remember to share holiday traditions like decorating the tree with your kids even if they’re out of town. pic.twitter.com/SXn9Wh4b8l
— Governor Tim Walz (@GovTimWalz) December 12, 2024
... Hannity saw it as an opportunity to recycle the GOP’s overblown response to Tim Walz’s support of a bill mandating that Minnesota schools provide free menstrual products to students in grades four through 12.There's no mention of tampons in the video, and in any case, Walz is no longer a national political figure. Yet no one on the right worries that attacks like this might seem alienating and mean-spirited. Attacks like this do alienate Democrats, but Republicans don't care. They get their message out, they attack Democrats on "everything," and there doesn't seem to be any downside for them.
“I wonder if they put any feminine hygiene products on the tree?” Hannity asked. Moments later he was back at it again. “But I do wonder, I mean, what did they decorate that tree with? I mean, if they believe so much in feminine hygiene products in boys bathrooms in school, why wouldn’t they put it on their Christmas tree?”
* Trump to Discuss Ending Childhood Vaccination Programs with RFK Jr. (paired with Kennedy’s Lawyer Has Asked the F.D.A. to Revoke Approval of the Polio Vaccine)Trump is putting up one unqualified, dangerous appointee after another -- Robert Kennedy Jr, Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, Tulsi Gabbard, Kari Lake. Trump may have appointed the ex-fiancée of one of his sons as ambassador to Greece to facilitate the breakup.
* Trump Advisers Seek to Shrink or Eliminate Bank Regulators: Advisers Asked Potential Nominees Whether Trump Could Abolish the FDIC
* Massad Boulos, Hailed as a Billionaire Lawyer Advising Trump on Middle East Policy, Probably Isn't a Lawyer or a Billionaire (a story about the father-in-law of Trump's daughter Tiffany, who, far from being a billionaire and Middle East expert, in fact "spent the past two decades selling trucks and heavy machinery in Nigeria for a company his father-in-law controls. He is chief executive of the company, SCOA Nigeria PLC, which made a profit of less than $66,000 last year, corporate filings show")
"When people are feeling insecure, they'd rather have someone who is strong and wrong rather than somebody who is weak and right."Trump is proving that there's apparently no limit to how wrong you can be and still get the benefit of seeming strong. And meanwhile, the current strategy of Democrats -- say nothing negative about Trump's decision-making no matter how awful it is, while talking up potential areas of agreement with Trump -- seems the epitome of weak. I'm baffled that Democrats think this is their route back to power. They should be making noise, for the simple reason that voters clearly respect politicians who make noise more than they respect politicians who are meek and quiet.
The politics of the average American are not well represented by either party right now. On economic issues, large majorities of the electorate support progressive positions: They say that making sure everyone has health-care coverage is the government’s responsibility (62 percent), support raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour (62 percent), strongly or somewhat support free public college (63 percent), and are in favor of federal investment in paid family and medical leave (73 percent). They also support more government regulation of a variety of industries including banking (53 percent), social media (60 percent), pharmaceuticals (68 percent), and artificial intelligence (72 percent).So I guess we're all economic lefties now? Maybe not, but apparently economic populism is the new hotness -- in both parties, according to Harper.
... lately, more political insiders from both parties have been willing to acknowledge the problem and admit that it’s time to move on from neoliberalism, the political ideology that champions market solutions, deregulation, the privatization of public services, and a general laissez-faire approach to the economy.Yes, Harper really said that "political insiders from both parties" are economic populists now. He and a Democrat he quotes, Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut, spend quite a bit of time in this piece considering the possibility that Republicans might beat Democrats to the punch by backing and enacting policies that make the non-rich more economically secure.
The movement’s chief exponents believe that neoliberalism has not only created an economic disaster, but its emphasis on ruthless individualism has also created a crisis of political and social meaning....The implication here is that working-class voters object to redistribution in the abstract. But do they really? They had no objections to the three rounds of pandemic relief they received in 2020 and 2021. They're not grumbling about New York governor Kathy Hochul's plan to send $500 to every family in the state making less than $300,000 and $300 to every individual making less than $150,000. They seem okay with this kind of redistribution because it goes to everyone under a certain income level -- it seems to be for every ordinary citizen, like Social Security and Medicare, which remain extremely popular, and unlike, in their view, student loan relief or real or imagined handouts to undocumented immigrants.
For many (though not all) post-neoliberals, the heart of their economic vision is “pre-distribution,” a concept popularized by the political scientist Jacob Hacker. Whereas center-left neoliberals tend to favor redistributive tax-and-transfer policies—allowing an unchained market to generate robust growth, and then blunting resulting economic disparities by taking some of the gains from the system’s winners and redistributing them to the system’s working-class “losers,” reducing inequality after the fact—post-neoliberals generally believe that it is better to avoid generating such inequalities in the first place....
“Most people don’t want a handout,” Chris Murphy recently posted on social media. “They want the rules unrigged so they can succeed on their own.”
Many Democratic insiders believe that post-neoliberal economic policies alone are not sufficient to win back American workers. Social issues will also need to be reconsidered. [Joseph] Stiglitz pointed to immigration as one place where Democrats may need to compromise, a view he shares with others in his post-neoliberal cohort. Murphy helped write a defeated bipartisan border-security bill that would have added Border Patrol officers and made asylum standards more stringent.... Last year, a hotly discussed book by the socialist journalist John B. Judis and the liberal political scientist Ruy Teixeira likewise packaged a withering critique of neoliberalism with a call to embrace more conservative positions on immigration.I can guess where this is going: Many Democrats have already joined Republicans as immigration hawks and trans-bashers, and they'll probably move right on guns, too. And then the other half of the bargain -- more money for ordinary Americans -- will somehow never materialize. Democrats won't win back the working class, but Murphy, Harper, Teixiera, and Judis will get some nice book deals. Those books will talk a lot about "meaning" and "the dignity of work." But the rich will still get richer.
Gun control is another area where flexibility may be prudent in order to be competitive in certain parts of the country. Democrats will have to accommodate people like Dan Osborn, the independent who, though he lost his bid to represent Nebraska in the Senate, outperformed Kamala Harris while combining a vocal defense of the Second Amendment with proudly pro-union politics....
Teixeira and Judis flagged a third topic, gender identity, where Democrats ought to respond to the public’s concerns. That begins by making room for conversations that don’t involve accusations of bigotry, or insisting that the very act of asking questions about terms such as people with the capacity for pregnancy is tantamount to challenging the right of trans Americans to exist or exposing them to harm.
a team with shockingly little governing experience and almost no connection to the institutional Republican Party.... Trump is not picking from within the broad universe of the Republican Party....But Fox News is at the center of "the broad universe of the Republican Party" -- it's no surprise that Fox employees and frequent Fox guests will serve in Trump's Cabinet.
The Republican Party could wither and die, and Donald Trump would not care, provided it did not disrupt his ability to enrich himself and his family.But that doesn't mean the GOP is weak. Bouie misunderstands what really matters to the party, somehow imagining that governance is what matters, because political scientists say that's what matters to parties:
This dynamic ... underscores one of the most important — and yet under-remarked on — elements of the Republican Party in the age of Trump: its fundamental political impairment.... the Republican Party is, to use a recent term of art, hollow. “At the heart of hollowness lies parties’ incapacity to meet public challenges,” Daniel Schlozman and Sam Rosenfeld observe in “The Hollow Parties: The Many Pasts and Disordered Present of American Party Politics.”But the Republican Party doesn't care about its capacity "to meet public challenges," and hasn't cared since at least the 1980s. Here's what the Republican Party cares about: gaining power often enough to keep making the rich richer and less regulated and taxed, particularly rich people who make their money from fossil fuels, a source of energy for which the GOP is determined to preserve primacy until the end of recorded time. Oil and plutocracy -- that's what the GOP cares about, not meeting "public challenges."
The institutions of the Republican Party — the establishment, as it were — have no capacity to influence, shape or discipline any of the actors who operate under the Republican umbrella.Really? During Trump's first term, "the establishment" handed him a Paul Ryan-style tax cut for the rich, and he dutifully signed it into law. He'll save that tax cut in his second term, and probably add on another one.
To the extent that there is anything left of a national ideological or programmatic agenda, it is a reflection either of Trump’s idiosyncratic preoccupations or those of the cadres of ideologues who have opportunistically latched on to the incoming president.State abortion bans aren't part of "a national ideological or programmatic agenda"? Shipping immigrants to blue states, as Republican governors did in recent years, isn't part of "a national ideological or programmatic agenda"? What about bans on trans heathcare for minors? Or school library book bans? Or abstinence-only school sex education curricula?
... consider the very plausible world in which Trump lost his bid for a second term. A two-time loser, he would have been a clear burden on the party’s ability to win. If he leaves or is forced out of the political scene, what happens to the Republican Party? Does it quickly reshape itself? Or does it enter a period of terminal crisis now that it is bereft of a figure who organized its priorities for nearly a decade?But Fox, Chris Rufo, Leonard Leo, Kevin Roberts of the Heritage Foundation, and Chaya Raichik of Libs of TikTok have also been important organizers of the GOP's priorities in the past decade. Of course the party would regroup.
In the absence of Trump, does the Republican Party look like an entity that can build or mobilize anything like a working electoral majority?Polling during primary season showed Nikki Haley with a bigger lead over Joe Biden than Trump's.
Even now, in this world, it is clear that the president-elect’s appeal is distinct from that of his party; Republicans lost four Senate races in states that he won and the party’s House majority teeters on a knife’s edge.Republicans lost Senate races in Michigan and Wisconsin by less than a point; they lost the Nevada race by less than two points, and the Arizona race by two and a half -- and, of course, they flipped Democratic Senate seats in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Montana, and West Virginia. At the state level, 27 out of 50 governors are Republican. And at the state legislative level:
The weakness of the institutional Republican Party, the fragility of the Republican majorities, and the volatility of Trump himself are a recipe for political instability and chaos. It all serves as a reminder that whenever Trump does leave the scene, he will likely leave behind a Republican Party that will struggle to find an identity outside of his reach and influence.Not as long as the right-wing media exists and conservative billionaires still have enough fingers to sign fat checks.
Mary, 50, Asian, Wyoming, assistantYou folks know who's president right now, don't you?
I was just looking at my retirement accounts, and it looks like the economy is doing pretty well right now.
... Kenneth, 62, Black, California, truck driver
The election went well, but even prior to the new administration coming into office, things were going well. The economy is better.
Seneca, 28, white, Arizona, charge specialistOh yeah, that'll happen. (/s)
I voted for him because I thought he was really smart and really good with money. And then also health care. I think it’s really cool that he’s going to take on fighting the big health care corporations that are charging insane amounts and hopefully get that under control.
Chris, 46, white, Pennsylvania, line technicianYou can’t just drive a bus down the road and say, “Hey, show me your papers or get on the bus, and we’re taking you to Mexico,” or whatever. That's literally the Trump administration's policy on immigration, as Trump explained every time he spoke on the subject.
I think that there’s probably a very good majority of people that are undocumented that are normal, law-abiding people and could be contributing members of society. So I don’t think that getting rid of all of those is necessarily the answer. There are some that obviously don’t deserve to be here, but to just get rid of all of them — there’s people that are born here every day that — would they have to go start a new life in some other country, through no fault of their own? There could be some common-sense ways to go about doing it, other than just picking up and shipping them all out.
Mary, 50, Asian, Wyoming, assistant
I think I agree with Chris. There needs to be some type of metric or something. You can’t just drive a bus down the road and say, “Hey, show me your papers or get on the bus, and we’re taking you to Mexico,” or whatever. I know that there’s a lot of hard-working immigrants here who deserve a shot. If they’ve been here for 10, 15 years, contributing, I see no problem with that.
Moderator, Patrick HealyBut don't worry!
Is there anything that concerns you about a Trump presidency? Is there anything you don’t want him to do as president?
Chris, 46, white, Pennsylvania, line technician
I just hope that it doesn’t go to his head and he starts to get reckless. I just don’t want him to get some of the wrong people in his corner, that are in his ear, that have their own agenda, maybe. Not that he would necessarily do it on purpose, but I feel like he might —
Direnda, 66, white, Kentucky, house cleaner
Be influenced.
Chris, 46, white, Pennsylvania, line technician
— go with the flow and want to please everybody and it just gets out of hand.
Kathi, 57, white, Ohio, property managementWhat was it that persuaded you that Trump has been "better about containing himself," Kathi? Was it the time he talked about Arnold Palmer's penis? Was it when he called Kamala Harris "a shit vice president" at the same rally? Was it his threat to put members of the House January 6 committee in prison? Was it when he accused the news media of treason?
I’m a little bit with Chris on that, but it does seem like this so-called election, he’s been much better about containing himself.
Mary, 50, Asian, Wyoming, assistantTrump will appoint several hundred judges and probably at least two Supreme Court justices, all of them bearing the Federalist Society stamp of approval. They're the ones who heard the message "OK, you guys decide."
I think that he took it off the federal government and put it on the states. He doesn’t have a say anymore.
... Direnda, 66, white, Kentucky, house cleaner
I think Trump did the right thing. He just washed his hands of the whole situation and said: OK, you guys decide.
Moderator, Margie OmeroIs rape huge? Is being a pro-Putin fifth columnist huge? Is not believing that the polio vaccine is safe and effective huge?
How do you think the Senate should go about considering Trump’s nominees?
Seneca, 28, white, Arizona, charge specialist
I think they should check on the people, run a background check and make sure that they’re qualified to be in the position, but unless there’s something huge, I think they should be going with Trump’s decision.
Jason, 38, white, Florida, realtor(If Kennedy had been in office during COVID, I assume the U.S. government would never have funded vaccine development or approved the final product, but yeah, sure, his stance is "choice.")
I’m glad he got picked. His stance on everything during Covid — I very much agreed with it. Obviously, if you wanted to get jabbed, by all means, get jabbed. Again, your body, your choice.
Noah, 62, Latino, Texas, retiredIt's not "one of the biggest sources of our expenditures in the country," but most Americans have no clue where tax money goes.
I don’t know that I have enough insight on him, but I have a mild historical optimism. I hope he gets almost Uncle Bobby-like and takes responsibility for all of the fraud that is committed throughout those departments, because that is one of the biggest sources of our expenditures in the country.
Joseph, 55, white, Minnesota, handymanYeah, I'm sure Kash Patel and Pam Bondi are selfless public servants whose only loyalty is to the rule of law.
You have to have people that are able to follow the laws of America, the Constitution, and not have somebody that wants to bend the rules and enforce whatever their mind-set might be at the time....
Erich, 23, white, New Jersey, lacrosse coach
As long as they’re taking the good of the country into consideration, that’s really my main concern.
Noah, 62, Latino, Texas, retiredA more informed citizenry where people aren't just listening to party propaganda? Yeah, that would be nice.
I think our country would be better off having a more informed citizenry and where people argue their own ideas, not just their party’s statement, on everything from immigration to the economy.
i have plenty of thoughts on why it matters that this is an illegal order but here i’ll just comment that i think liberals who throw their hands up and say “it doesn’t matter” have self lobotomized themselves into thinking that trump is god king of america
— jamelle (@jamellebouie.net) December 8, 2024 at 11:17 AM
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main thing i have to say to a lot of you is that if you truly believe that nothing matters then you should delete your account, log off, cancel your voting registration and stop paying attention to anything political at all
— jamelle (@jamellebouie.net) December 8, 2024 at 11:28 AM
go get a real hobby
— jamelle (@jamellebouie.net) December 8, 2024 at 11:29 AM
It's more fun to watch you yell at people about why they should go do something but never tell anyone what to do or how to help or what things might actually make stuff better. Because seriously, literally nothing we have done so far has done anything so I don't know what the fuck
— mav (@mav.wtf) December 8, 2024 at 10:00 PM
feds: Republican states: half Republican, mostly pointless press: largely responsible for this mess courts: you're kidding, right? protests: we've seen where that goes, in 2020 at this point we're pretty well down to hiding people in crawlspaces and prayer
— mav (@mav.wtf) December 8, 2024 at 10:05 PM
In the chapter of Why We Did It in which I sketched out the different phenotypes of Trumpian enablers, I described these Republicans this way:Miller then turned his focus on Democratic defenders of President Biden's pardon of his son, favorably quoting his colleague Will Saletan, who wrote, contemptuously:Then you had the LOL Nothing Matters Republicans. This cadre gained steam over the years, especially among my former peers in the campaign set. It is a comforting ethos if you are professionally obligated to defend the indefensible day in and day out. Their arguments no longer needed to have merit or be consistent because, LOL, nothing matters. . . . The LOLNMRs had decided that if someone like Trump could win, then everything that everyone does in politics is meaningless. So they became nihilists.
“America elected a convicted felon in 2024 and I no longer care about ‘norms,” one commenter shrugged. “The voters have spoken and integrity is passé,” said another. A third asked: “Why should he [Biden] sacrifice a single thing more for ideals the populace no longer believe in?”I have no patience for critics of this pardon. Is it a rejection of the rule of law? Literally every presidential pardon is a rejection of the rule of law, because every pardon overturns the judgment of the legal system. At the same time, every presidential pardon is entirely consistent with the law, even the bad ones, because the president's pardon power is effectively absolute and it's right there in the Constitution.
... [Trump] delivered something of a mixed message when it comes to political retribution. Trump made clear he believes he’s been wronged, but he also sounded a conciliatory note, saying he will not appoint a special prosecutor to investigate [President] Biden. “I’m not looking to go back into the past,” he said. “Retribution will be through success.”On the one hand, he
singled out people he believes crossed the line in investigating his actions, calling special counsel Jack Smith “very corrupt.”But on the other hand:
Members of the House committee that examined the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol were “political thugs and, you know, creeps,” committing offenses in going about their work, he said.
“For what they did, honestly, they should go to jail,” Trump said.
Asked if he would direct the Justice Department and FBI to punish them, Trump said, “No, not at all. I think that they’ll have to look at that, but I’m not going to — I’m going to focus on drill, baby, drill” — a reference to tapping more oil supplies.MAGA voters will be thrilled when Trump pardons the January 6 insurrectionists, which he told Welker he'll do on Day One. (We all should have known that.) However, if he leaves current and former anti-Trump officeholders and investigators of Trump crimes unpunished, MAGA will be very disappointed. Many of those figures will continue to speak out. New senator Adam Schiff will probably challenge some Trump appointees. This won't go over well in Trump country.
If Biden wants to do it, he could pardon the committee members, Trump said, “and maybe he should.”
... he didn’t flinch in saying he will carry out mass deportation of those who are living in the country illegally.(After the first raids, we'll get footage of weapons stockpiles. We'll be told that the immigrants who have been rounded up were terrible criminals. That may be true -- or the cops might just tap into their own weapons stockpiles for the photo ops. It's a common police practice.)
First will be convicted criminals, he said.
It’s also possible that American citizens will be caught up in the sweep and deported with family members who are here illegally, or could choose to go.However:
Asked about families with mixed immigration status, where some are in the U.S. legally and some illegally, Trump said, “I don’t want to be breaking up families, so the only way you don’t break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them all back.”
An exception might be the “Dreamers” — people who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children and have lived here for years. He voiced openness toward a legislative solution that would allow them to remain in the country.He won't really work with Democrats on a plan for the Dreamers. But merely hesitating to deport them will profoundly disappoint his base.
“I will work with the Democrats on a plan,” he said, praising “Dreamers” who’ve gotten good jobs, started businesses and become successful residents. “We’re going to have to do something with them,” he said.
Reuters reports that agriculture interests, which are heavily concentrated in GOP areas, are urging the incoming Trump administration to refrain from removing untold numbers of migrants working throughout the food supply chain, including in farming, dairy, and meatpacking....As I've said before, right-wingers like anecdotes and dislike data. No matter how much data you show them demonstrating the fact that immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans, they look at individual incidents -- crimes endlessly discussed on Fox News -- as all the evidence they need that "migrant crime" is at epidemic levels. They'll have the same response to Trump's deportation process: If they see a lot of footage of immigrants being rounded up and shipped out, they probably won't notice how many aren't being rounded up and shipped out.
Now over to Texas. NPR reports that various industries there fear that mass deportations could cripple them, particularly in construction, where nearly 300,000 undocumented immigrants toiled as of 2022.... Local analysts and executives want Trump to refrain from removing all these people or create new ways for them to work here legally....
Meanwhile, back in Georgia, Trump’s threat of mass deportations is awakening new awareness that undocumented immigrants drive industries like construction, landscaping, and agriculture, reports The Wall Street Journal. In Dalton, a town that backed Trump, fear is spreading that removals could “upend its economy and workforce.”
Exactly. Deportation raids in blue areas will allow Trump to boast that he's bringing pacification to urban cesspools with military-style force, complete with footage given to Fox News and other MAGA propagandists. Meanwhile some MAGA-friendly industries and areas will quietly secure forbearance.
— Greg Sargent (@gregsargent.bsky.social) December 8, 2024 at 8:47 AM
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"Quietly secure forbearance."
— Steve M. (@stevemnomoremister.bsky.social) December 8, 2024 at 8:49 AM
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