Right-wingers think it's hilarious that the AP is reporting this:
A Massachusetts police official say the brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon before having shootouts with authorities didn't have gun permits....We get this from Doug Ross at Director Blue:
He says it's unclear whether either ever applied and the applications aren't considered public records.
But he says the 19-year-old Dzhokhar (joh-KHAR') would have been denied a permit because of his age. Only people 21 or older are allowed gun licenses in Massachusetts....
A perplexed Associated Depress reluctantly reports....And Weasel Zippers snickers:
So let's pass some more gun control laws, right, progressive nitwits?
Big surprise. You mean they weren't adhering to the law?No, they weren't adhering to the gun laws. But you know what? They weren't adhering to the bomb laws, either.
So, since laws didn't stop these two people from making bombs and using them for mass murder and amputation, let's get rid of all of our fascist, anti-freedom bomb laws. Let's allow Americans to buy or construct large, intimidating bombs without the evil government breathing down their necks. Let's permit concealed carry of bombs -- with every state that allows concealed carry of bombs required to give a concealed-carry bomb permit to whoever has a carry permit in the most permissive state. We need more states allowing open carry of bombs, too.
And shouldn't we also make it legal to sell bombs over the Internet, or in the parking lot of gun shows, with no violation of the law, and no government oversight?
After all, the only thing that can stop a couple of bad guys with multiple pressure-cooker bombs is a bunch of good guys with pressure-cooker bombs. Right?
Ultimately, why even have laws against terrorism? Laws didn't stop the 9/11 hijackers, or the Fort Hood shooter, or the would-be shoe bomber or underwear bomber or Times Square bomber. Laws only deter law-abiding citizens; evil people don't respect laws.
So let's make terrorism legal. Because freedom.
Be careful, Steve.
ReplyDeleteThese feckin' idjit Conservatives might take you seriously, because they don't "get" sarcasm.
Conservatives suffer from a well documented "Irony Deficiency."
Oh, and let me ask our Conservatives this - "Since people will do whatever they want to do, why have stop signs, traffic lights, and speed limits?"
Ya wanna go 90mph through a school zone?
Who's anyone to tell you not only that you can't, but that you shouldn't?
You have a right to go as fast as you want, right?
And the dead children you ran over, are the price we pay for FreeDUMB, and LiberTEA!
White Feminist Woman at Georgetown University working in the admissions department openly admitted that she REJECTED white men's applications simply because they were WHITE MEN.
ReplyDeleteBrief: A female advisor in the admissions department at Georgetown University has been caught openly admitting that she committed the CRIME of discrimination based on people's race and gender in the application process.
This has the potential to create a large scale lawsuit against Georgetown University, and with the momentum building at the rate it is building, seems very likely that will be the outcome.
Below are the main links to all of the information regarding this news story and case.
http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums2/tabid/369/forumid/232/threadid/6149/scope/posts/Default.aspx
http://www.avoiceformen.com/georgetown-university-and-men/georgetown-university-in-a-cover-up/
DFTT.
ReplyDeleteAlso, too: however they got the guns (private sale, straw sale) would have been made more difficult if we had the universal background checks and tougher penalties for straw sales that gun control advocates have been pushing for.
ReplyDelete99% of people who buy pressure cookers will use them responsibly, but there's a risk a deranged lunatic or someone poisoned by ideology may decide to use one as a bomb. Clearly we need background checks on people who buy pressure cookers.
ReplyDeleteAnd ball bearings must be banned because 8 year old Martin was killed by ball bearings. Hopefully, Piers Morgan can lead the way and do 4 months of programming asking why any private citzen needs a bunch of ball bearings.
Strawman are fun.
This seems to me to be one of the places that right wing thinking is off in a class of its own, walled off from logic or coherence. The point of laws and regulations is not to prevent a person from breaking laws and regulations--laws and regulations, permits and lisences, tell people who can and can't do certain things without criminality and they also make it harder for others to help criminals do certain things.
ReplyDeleteSure it seems obvious that someone bent on killing people isn't going to let a mere gun liscence issue prevent them from getting their hands on guns--but registration and lisencing would have prevented presumably (sic) non criminal gun sellers from selling to them, thereby making it harder for them to gain access to the weapons. Ditto a registery for guns and their owners--a record of who bought what that was permanent might have triggered the kind of greater scrutiny the right wing is now sobbing for over the supposed outrage that the FBI didn't keep Tamerlan on a permanent registry at the behest of the Russkies.
Preventing criminals/terrorists/idiots/the mentally ill from gaining access to guns doesn't involve just telling them that they ought not to buy them. It involves making the entire process of gaining access to guns more difficult.
But the right wing gun fetishists will continue to misunderstand this simple point because it suits them.
aimai,
ReplyDeleteDon't waste your breath or your time trying to talk "sense" to people who insist that anything you're saying has a "non" in front of that word.
Our Conservatives 'isn't learning,' because they're incapable of learning.
Conserving their own past and present stupidity, ignorance, fear, and loathing, is all they know.
And it's all they're willing to listen to - their own, and the other members of their tribes, stupidity, ignorance, fear, and loathing.
If America had a lot of people setting off pressure cooker bombs, I think it would absolutely be reasonable to put some restrictions on relevant commerce -- maybe restrictions like what we do now with pseudoephedrine.
ReplyDeleteAnd you know what? People would understand. People would cooperate.
They would because America doesn't have millions of cookware monomaniacs, people who think pressure cookers are the magic talisman that saves all of humanity from the reign of pure evil. If they had to sign a registry to buy a pressure cooker, they'd do it, or buy something else.
Most people don't think their own wants and desires and Walter Mitty hero fantasies trump everyone else's interests. In other words, most people aren't like America's gun absolutists.
I realize liberals/progressives only care about emotion, but facts and data are often helpful. According the Uniform Crime Report published annually by the FBI, "murder by firearms" has declined from 16,305 in 1995 to 8,583 in 2011. That's a whopping 47% decline.
ReplyDeleteWhat has happened since 1995? “Assault weapon” purchases became legal again almost a decade ago after a ten year ban. Many states loosened concealed carry laws. According to the U.S. Census data, the population of the U.S. increased by about 40 million people, enlarging the pool of people available to commit “murder by firearms” and the victims of it. I can't find an estimate of how many guns were sold to private citizens since 1995, but the National Shooting Sports Foundation estimates about 10.8 million were sold in 2011 alone. Of course, gun sales have skyrocketed since President Obama was elected because people feared he may try to ban gun sales. In hindsight, that fear was entirely justified as he just pushed a bill trying to outlaw the most popular make of gun sold, the AR-15.
Fun facts from the Uniform Crime Report: More people were murdered by "blunt objects" - hammers and clubs - than were murdered by rifles in 2011. 5x more people were murdered by knives than rifles. Did you know more people were murdered by murderers using their bare hands than rifles in 2011?
To sum up, since 1995 gun laws have been liberalized at the federal level and by many states; the pool of potential murderers and victims has increased by about 40 million people; many tens of millions of new guns have been sold; and yet "murders by firearms" have declined by 47%.
By any measure, gun violence has declined dramatically. But Democrats tried to seize on the emotions created by the heartbreaking Newton massacre to enact various gun control control measures for ideological reasons.
"Let's make terrorism legal. Because freedom." I'd call that a distillation of libertarianism in general, if it had the intellectual integrity to admit it. Gunheads are, to my way of thinking, merely a somewhat more primitive subset of that crowd.
ReplyDeletewow, that MRA spam even showed up on my blog.
ReplyDeleteThese idjits never bother to think that the reason criminals who ignore the law are able to get guns illegally is because it's EASY to get guns illegally, just by driving across state lines. If every state had the same laws, it would be a lot harder to get guns illegally, and yes, it would discourage the anti-social idiots like Adam Lanza and James Holmes who may not have the interpersonal skills or ability to coordinate an illegal gun purchase.
when the difference between an illegal gun and a legal gun is a couple of miles on a state highway, the presence of illegal guns are a given. When there's a border patrol guard standing between an illegal gun and a legal gun, you can reduce the presence of illegal guns - not eliminate, reduce. Which saves lives.
Maggot's little intro clause up there - "liberals/progressives only care about emotion" - is pretty rich, considering the rampant hysteria among the TeaPotty & gunfreak ranks.
ReplyDeleteFun facts from the Uniform Crime Report: More people were murdered by "blunt objects" - hammers and clubs - than were murdered by rifles in 2011.
ReplyDeleteActually, no. If you look at that report, there's a rifle category, and there's a category for non-specified type of firearm. You don't know how many rifle murders there are in any given year because not all shootings are classified by type firearm.
The only way to stop a Bad Guy with a Bomb... Is with a Good Guy with a Bomb...
ReplyDeleteThe only way to stop a Bad Guy with a Drone... Is with a Good Guy with a Drone...
The only way to stop a Bad Guy with a Terrorist Organization... is with a Good Guy with a Terrorist Organization...