tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post8245428088499965575..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: AFTER HIS ATTACKS ON THE KHANS, TRUMP IS AS DOOMED AS HE ALWAYS IS (updated)Steve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-61064990477924808102016-08-02T17:58:15.305-04:002016-08-02T17:58:15.305-04:00You might prefer the Sheehans and the Tillmans and...You might prefer the Sheehans and the Tillmans and I won't take it personally if you do.<br /><br />https://www.veteransforpeace.org/KenRighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02861276158382647529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-19188126267395146512016-08-02T15:49:03.569-04:002016-08-02T15:49:03.569-04:00@Aunt Snow,
Yeah, but he cracks me up. @Aunt Snow,<br /><br />Yeah, but he cracks me up. jsrthetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09471258641340325875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-64657482736821538482016-08-02T15:12:58.522-04:002016-08-02T15:12:58.522-04:00KenRight is like Roger Stone only stupider. Just a...KenRight is like Roger Stone only stupider. Just as vile, though.Glennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03681336164718681936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-23154199893670647412016-08-01T20:50:55.436-04:002016-08-01T20:50:55.436-04:00@Lit3Bolt
"he'll only have the cuckserva...@Lit3Bolt<br /><br />"he'll only have the cuckservative hating alt-right publicly supporting him."<br /><br />I think that group is a lot larger than any of us are comfortable admitting.<br /><br />@KenRight<br /><br />"Only computer vote fraud could defeat Trump and he should stress this so if it is performed there will be a solid bloc who will not accept an illegitimate president."<br /><br />Thanks, Roger Stone.The Politicianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01702266576593478874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-90380721869620413092016-08-01T20:30:25.964-04:002016-08-01T20:30:25.964-04:00This time is different in a couple of ways. First,...This time is different in a couple of ways. First, the Khan story has legs. Longer legs than most of the prior foofaraws. Longer, I'll wager, than the gams on Curiel. The conventions are over, people are starting to take a closer look, and the drip, drip, drip of insanity Trump offers up at least daily is starting to matter. (I fully understand that I could well be full of it here, because I know of no one who has called this race with any reliability yet. The presence of pod people has not been completely disproved.)<br /><br />Trump has now taken on the military, <i>again</i>, and in a very immediate way. The McCain debacle didn't really hurt him because, frankly, McCain is old news and not viewed as the elder statesman he probably should be, and only diehards like us were paying attention anyway. While Captain Khan died in 2004, Iraq and Afghanistan have never been out of the news since 2001, and continue to figure prominently now. Captain Khan was active military. While I'm not a vet, I certainly believe the armed services have been in the vanguard of tolerance generally, and soldiers tend to be ferociously loyal to their fellows irrespective of race, religion or gender. Pissing off the armed services is never a good idea, and this time it's a particularly bad one. Dumping on the parents of a fallen soldier only adds to the fire.<br /><br />There are many people out there who do not seem to understand how horrible Trump really is. Some of these people that I've talked to are even thoughtful, and accustomed to holding their fire. In every election I have talked with people who were persuaded long after most people were, and in each case it was one particular thing that tipped the scales. This is just the sort of thing that will cause fence-sitters to walk away from a candidate. jsrthetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09471258641340325875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-27521012774972847332016-08-01T17:49:28.017-04:002016-08-01T17:49:28.017-04:00Only computer vote fraud could defeat Trump and he...Only computer vote fraud could defeat Trump and he should stress this so if it is performed there will be a solid bloc who will not accept an illegitimate president. <br /><br />http://journal-neo.org/2016/07/31/russia-won-t-hack-us-voting-machines-that-s-america-s-job/<br /><br /><br />Clinton is not insulting Muslims by using them to promote intrinsically chaos-causing anarchy in the Muslim world, to which none but Israel seem immune?<br /><br />Not that Trump is offsetting it with a little sophistication. He could find Muslims who thank him for early opposing the Iraq war and attempting to save lives and for his stated determination to avoid further intervention in the Mideast. Has this determination been stated consistently. Not particuloarly, except when compared to Clinton's ultra-hawkishness.<br /><br /><br />KenRighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02861276158382647529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-8654110930943004192016-08-01T17:43:27.638-04:002016-08-01T17:43:27.638-04:00I will donate $10 to the charity of Steve M.'s...<i>I will donate $10 to the charity of Steve M.'s choice for every point above 5% that either Stein or Johnson gets nationally. So if one of them gets 6%, that's $10; if each of them gets 6% of the vote, that's $20 to the charity of Steve's choice (as long as they take Paypal).</i><br /><br />I don't think either one will get 5%, but you don't need 5% to be a menace. Nader was under 3%.Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-73487961940067371692016-08-01T17:16:25.130-04:002016-08-01T17:16:25.130-04:00It may not effect Trump's base, but it will ef...It may not effect Trump's base, but it will effect whether or not anyone opens up a checkbook for Trump and which churches/organizations will volunteer for him publicly.<br /><br />Trump is making himself so toxic he'll only have the cuckservative hating alt-right publicly supporting him. Everyone else will have run away, including a lot of evangelical and Catholic church and veterans' organizations. That has to have an effect at some point.Lit3Bolthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10407681812425172672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-24205960083386965792016-08-01T16:53:09.135-04:002016-08-01T16:53:09.135-04:00I will donate $10 to the charity of Steve M.'s...I will donate $10 to the charity of Steve M.'s choice for every point above 5% that either Stein or Johnson gets nationally. So if one of them gets 6%, that's $10; if each of them gets 6% of the vote, that's $20 to the charity of Steve's choice (as long as they take Paypal).Phil Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041604069121995890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-44735274835695848052016-08-01T16:42:36.560-04:002016-08-01T16:42:36.560-04:00Something else to keep in mind: undecideds are pro...<i>Something else to keep in mind: undecideds are pro-Obama by 55-30, so there's a lot more potential for Clinton than Trump there.</i><br /><br />I saw that at <a href="http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/07/clinton-image-improves-following-conventions-leads-trump-by-5.html" rel="nofollow">PPP</a> -- but they <i>hate</i> Clinton (4% favorable, 83% unfavorable), and they're undecided only because they hate Trump slightly more (2% favorable, 89% unfavorable). They're going to vote Stein, Johnson, or (just as a fuck-you to us) Trump, or they'll write in Bernie, as many of them have <a href="https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22write+in+Bernie%22" rel="nofollow">promised to do.</a> They're lost to us.Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-65186278303480237842016-08-01T15:24:47.361-04:002016-08-01T15:24:47.361-04:00It's not that Rs won't vote R per se; if t...It's not that Rs won't vote R per se; if they don't say anything, they'll do like always.<br /><br />It's that now it's becoming a culturally acceptable so soon will become a culturally accepted and then culturally DEMANDED thing to be seen as a rock ribbed Republican who is publicly rejecting Trump. <br /><br />Forget the Win: absent some huge coordinated fraud the R party election-fixing apparatus isn't going to waste on Trump, Trump's going to lose by AT LEAST the 3-4-5 Steve M fears. Now the question is how much of the national electorate comes together to reject McCarthyism/fascism/Trumpism.<br /><br />Trump has a support floor. That is what he'll get. What is that floor? How much will HRC beat THAT by? Feud Turgidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05379322096770703017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-38817530581992171682016-08-01T14:18:01.328-04:002016-08-01T14:18:01.328-04:00Things like the Khan controversy will have a margi... Things like the Khan controversy will have a marginal impact. But this election is going to be won or lost in the margins. No one will cite this or that event as the triggering event for rejecting Trump. That is asking too much of any incident. But there will be a point where the critical mass of crap like Trump dissing the Khans will tip the scales for those who are on the fence.<br /><br /> I am not too sure why we have to rehash the fact that Trump's support is rock solid over and over and over and over. I get that the pundits exaggerate the effect of any given controversy, e.g., "Trump reels..," but pundits will pundit -- they are more projector than reporter. Maybe I'm wrong, but there seems always to be a subtext in the pushback that if Trump's support can't be eroded why harp on his misdeeds? Then you, and others, inevitably point out how close the election is going to be. Which is, of course, exactly why we should harp on his misdeeds in order to reach those marginal voters who are, really, the only ones up for grabs and, luckily, the most likely to be negatively influenced by Trump's continuing trash fire.mlbxxxxxxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05931351723996391533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-56648210158524115982016-08-01T12:38:40.539-04:002016-08-01T12:38:40.539-04:00Trumps new floor is the big story. Can he get abov...Trumps new floor is the big story. Can he get above 38% -40%? Doubtful.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14006984334289913006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-3506745747973315972016-08-01T12:29:38.223-04:002016-08-01T12:29:38.223-04:00Even the worst, least appealing Republican is goin...Even the worst, least appealing Republican is going to get at least 40%, so it's always going to look uncomfortably close, like a basketball game where the lead is 9 and there's like 2:30 to go. Watching it you'll always think, damn, a long shot here, a stop, another shot, and who knows what'll happen! All they have to do is get hot! Holy cow this thing is anyone's game! But that sequence of events is very, very unlikely. Winning by 5% is a massive blowout by modern standards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-51569422851525762562016-08-01T12:07:42.718-04:002016-08-01T12:07:42.718-04:00Yeah, ground game is a big factor I haven't se...Yeah, ground game is a big factor I haven't seen a lot of people talking about. It could make a 2-3% difference (given that at this point Trump has none, and time is running out for him to get a functioning operation in place). 538 polling averages currently have 4 states where Trump is leading by less than 1.5%: Florida, Ohio, Nevada, and Iowa. <br /><br />Something else to keep in mind: undecideds are pro-Obama by 55-30, so there's a lot more potential for Clinton than Trump there.<br /><br />My best guess is Clinton wins by between 5% and 9%.Tom Hiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575511424823512042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-42123426370178738932016-08-01T12:05:35.988-04:002016-08-01T12:05:35.988-04:00In the turnout vein, Trump's base seem to hate...In the turnout vein, Trump's base seem to hate everyone so can't really see them volunteering to go drive folks to the polls or even talk to them in a way that convinces the undecided that Trump is the way to go. His ceiling is quite hard and not made of glass.Maxwell's Demonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00150736465942147646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-51879469664066958132016-08-01T11:52:53.575-04:002016-08-01T11:52:53.575-04:00Further to BroD's point, polling popularity do...Further to BroD's point, polling popularity doesn't correlate with turnout, and for that you need money, the party apparatus, and lots of volunteer support. The Democrats I believe will have a big advantage on the latter two, and from what I'm reading Trump doesn't have a lot of the big-money GOP donors supporting him, either.<br /><br />I also agree with AllieG and Tom; he desperately needs to expand beyond the fanatical base, and every episode like this chips away more of the tenuously Trump-inclined.Never Ben Betterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17814767173601107270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-28141154989051435762016-08-01T11:19:26.504-04:002016-08-01T11:19:26.504-04:00Ok I get it but the focus in this and other "...Ok I get it but the focus in this and other "Don't expect a landslide (and, btw, don't think Trump doesn't have a reasonable shot." pieces is on Trump/Clinton polling numbers. There's no mention of turn-out and I have to think Dems will have a substantial advantage there. BroDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223349775331399433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-34887995042864734932016-08-01T11:11:52.630-04:002016-08-01T11:11:52.630-04:00Why the hell does everyone think that bitter old w...Why the hell does everyone think that bitter old white men can elect this POS. I just turned 63, I loath all of the Clinton's and yet Hillary has my vote because I am not insane. And believe me there are many more people like me who see tRump as a dangerous wannbe dictator. Just because I don't go to rally's and protest doesn't mean I am going to support tRump. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09780639269762721157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-15341174760160921412016-08-01T10:53:05.039-04:002016-08-01T10:53:05.039-04:00I'm afraid he could have an incident like this...I'm afraid he could have an incident like this every week from now to November and still lose by no more than 3 or 4 points.Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-83197477693886494882016-08-01T10:51:07.793-04:002016-08-01T10:51:07.793-04:00I have to agree with AllieG and Tom. I think ther...I have to agree with AllieG and Tom. I think there's about 10 percent of the voting population that isn't ready to commit to one side or the other, and the accumulation of these noxious events -- past and to come -- will drive enough of those voters away from him, understanding that they may not all go to Clinton. But his base will remain at upper 30's low 40's, which is disturbing enough as it is.W. Hackwhackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12578895052115475639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-12197636922350849702016-08-01T10:41:36.571-04:002016-08-01T10:41:36.571-04:00I agree that this isn't going to hurt him with...I agree that this isn't going to hurt him with his base, because <i>nothing</i> would hurt him with his base. But I do think it (and similar incidents, past and future--because we know he can't help himself) hurts his chances of expanding <i>beyond</i> his base--which he has to do to have any chance of winning. Stuff like this hardens negative perceptions of Trump, which is really all Clinton needs to do to win. (To win big she needs to improve her own favorability numbers, which it seems the convention may have done to a modest degree.)Tom Hiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575511424823512042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-10601270965869297552016-08-01T10:22:34.192-04:002016-08-01T10:22:34.192-04:00In reply to "Unknown" above: Way to comp...In reply to "Unknown" above: Way to completely miss the real point of this post.Stratplayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18331436383501788495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-88812525743634761302016-08-01T10:19:43.250-04:002016-08-01T10:19:43.250-04:00This article is spot on!
"declaring that Mr....This article is spot on!<br /><br />"declaring that Mr. Khan had “no right” to question" and "are not seen as human" IS what most ofthe GOP/Republican Party believes and practices.<br /><br />Why the surprise or shock?<br /><br />Ever seen the black and white photos of LARGE CROWDS of white Americans at the lyching of an African AMERICAN?<br /><br />white supremacist ideology is the foundation and source of American racism!<br /><br />YES ...that is a thing!<br /><br />Gerald Parkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14086005170803865460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-7022398399027009292016-08-01T09:38:17.700-04:002016-08-01T09:38:17.700-04:00It isn't a question of Trump losing the votes ...It isn't a question of Trump losing the votes he has. It's all the other ones. This is the first time I've seen local news discuss a Trump comment as bad on its face. If the feeling becomes prevalent among the American comfortable that a vote for Trump is not respectable, he will lose a nontrivial number of votes he might otherwise get.AllieGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994768860067988405noreply@blogger.com