tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post7767313379019535164..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: STOP THE VIOLENCE BECAUSE IT'S WRONG. DON'T STOP IT BECAUSE YOU THINK IT'S HELPING TRUMP.Steve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-73035997344109033602016-06-04T11:08:55.940-04:002016-06-04T11:08:55.940-04:00With the likes of you, Ken, around no, it will not...With the likes of you, Ken, around no, it will not. <br /><br />Back on topic: you don't have to be a Peace Freak to be against War. I don't condone violence, but I don't agree it is the last resort of the incompetent. It is simply the last resort. Sadly, thanks to the US Army I am both quite familiar with it, and quite good at it.<br /><br />No Ken, it isn't going to be peaceful.Ten Bearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06594307610015584119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-90655933358304630952016-06-03T18:48:42.856-04:002016-06-03T18:48:42.856-04:00http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/03/the-chaos-o...http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/03/the-chaos-of-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-corporate-dominion-and-open-rebellion/<br /><br /><br />So you believe a Clinton presidency will be peaceful?KenRighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02861276158382647529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-9903367615945720012016-06-03T16:03:48.669-04:002016-06-03T16:03:48.669-04:00Violence is wrong and playing into Trump's nar...Violence is wrong and playing into Trump's narrative. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12977868106173983411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-14029230845799615712016-06-03T12:23:47.132-04:002016-06-03T12:23:47.132-04:00Interesting comment about the Trump campaign provo...Interesting comment about the Trump campaign provoking violence, Tengrain. The same thing happened in Chicago. But unfair as it is, that again puts a burden on the peaceful protesters to try to prevent the violent ones from getting all the media attention.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179716163946175084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-60408117794695751482016-06-03T11:18:22.559-04:002016-06-03T11:18:22.559-04:00Steve - I lived in San Jose for years. I'll ta...Steve - I lived in San Jose for years. I'll take the side that this was a planned provocation from the Trump campaign. There is no way that a California campaign manager could not know that this would happen when they chose San Jose for the rally. I too don't condone violence, but I understand it.<br /><br />Second point I want to make about SJ Police: Chuck Reid, the previous mayor to Sam Liccardo, demonized and demoralized the SJPD (and SJFD) as money-grubbing parasites; he even sponsored a ballot initiative that cratered their retirement program to balance the city's budget rather than increase taxes. They have not been able to recruit new officers and much of the old guard retired early. It is a shoe-string operation at best.<br /><br />The graduates of SJPD and SJFD academies choose not to work in the city.<br /><br />That's just background info. I don't think SJPD could have done much more given their serious understaffing problem.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />TengrainTengrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00171857054812345617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-31255589467093928402016-06-03T10:35:20.917-04:002016-06-03T10:35:20.917-04:00From the Washington Post story quoted in the post:...From the <i>Washington Post</i> <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/03/ugly-bloody-scenes-in-san-jose-as-protesters-attack-trump-supporters-outside-rally/" rel="nofollow">story</a> quoted in the post:<br /><br /><i>Mike Casca, Sanders’s rapid response director, tweeted that “we cannot stop Trump’s violent rhetoric with violence -- only peaceful protest in a voting booth can do that.”</i><br /><br /><br />Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-58911768666643267552016-06-03T10:29:23.402-04:002016-06-03T10:29:23.402-04:00The chairman of Hillary's campaign, John Podes...The chairman of Hillary's campaign, John Podestra, condemned the violence. <br />https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/738569676003893248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw<br />Victor Catanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08424398263872654599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-26675063584787324802016-06-03T09:50:13.814-04:002016-06-03T09:50:13.814-04:00Agents provaucateers.
And, what Diane said.<i>Agents provaucateers</i>. <br /><br />And, what Diane said.Ten Bearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06594307610015584119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-50651437752231219872016-06-03T09:40:30.936-04:002016-06-03T09:40:30.936-04:00Since I am in the same approximate age group as al...Since I am in the same approximate age group as all three remaining candidates, I hope both Bernie and Hillary will strongly denounce this kind of violence and not ignore or excuse it.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179716163946175084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-64280279139697219372016-06-03T09:27:52.316-04:002016-06-03T09:27:52.316-04:00Two rational libs, each we can assume having at le...Two rational libs, each we can assume having at least one college or university liberal arts program degree, expelling opposing speculations on how attacks on Trump supporters must look to muddy-minded middle-mod independents.<br /><br />Real answer? Same Zhhou En-Lai's in Beijing in 1972: "[English translation] Too early to say".Feud Turgidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05379322096770703017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-90019699346469008472016-06-03T09:27:09.840-04:002016-06-03T09:27:09.840-04:00Also agree with Diane.Also agree with Diane.Philo Vaihingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17150326435392881297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-2060254713405192402016-06-03T09:14:25.916-04:002016-06-03T09:14:25.916-04:00I agree with what @Diane said.
First, I deplore v...I agree with what @Diane said.<br /><br />First, I deplore violence.<br />Second, during the anti-nuke rallies in the late 70's & early 80's, I was taught how to effectively protest non-violently, by NYPIRG.<br /><br />I used that training when I was an organizer for anti-war/torture/rendition protests, in NC during the late W years.<br /><br />Sure, tRUMP has called on his folks use violence at his rallies, but that doesn't mean those who vehemently oppose him need to resort in kind.<br /><br />Violence brings first fear from, then contempt for, the ones using it. And it also breeds sympathy for the victims.<br />Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-69362006053117335202016-06-03T08:47:38.834-04:002016-06-03T08:47:38.834-04:00If you're a swing voter, violent protesters ma...If you're a swing voter, violent protesters make their OWN MOVEMENT look weak and like it can't control its own violence. Violent protesters discredit every nonviolent Bernie supporter, Hillary supporter, or Democrat in general.<br /><br />We knew this back in the 1960's, which is why Civil Rights movement members policed themselves and rejected violence, and why peaceful antiwar protesters detest Bill Ayers and the Yippees to this day. It's why the MANY peaceful protesters in Ferguson were overshadowed by the few who looted and burned down buildings. <br /><br />Violence by the few allows both the other side and the broad middle to comfortably reject the whole movement. And THAT is part of what happened to Hubert Humphrey.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17179716163946175084noreply@blogger.com