tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post7182896809244626551..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: Steve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-82016809223639182132013-03-28T20:09:12.083-04:002013-03-28T20:09:12.083-04:00I used to think abortion laws in the US didn't...I used to think abortion laws in the US didn't matter to the upper classes as long as it was legal in Switzerland. Perhaps nowadays thanks to contraceptives rich women never get pregnant unless they want to, so that most senators and congresspersons are really not familiar with abortion at all.Yastreblyanskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08335868257729063363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-14254371585870846732013-03-28T08:27:18.924-04:002013-03-28T08:27:18.924-04:00This is a good point. The folks at Americablog ha...This is a good point. The folks at Americablog have made it over and over, but it's still true and bears repeating: if you don't just accept politicians' inaction on something, don't play nice but get in their faces repeatedly on something, threatening them by withholding votes and money, you're much more likely to get what you want. I only wish the lesson was more widely accepted and applied to other issuesredscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00311167473555575509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-13647624809603780252013-03-28T05:58:17.772-04:002013-03-28T05:58:17.772-04:00Gay rights propaganda can easily display the animu...Gay rights propaganda can easily display the animus against them and laws to their disfavor as transparently cruel.<br /><br />As for the abortion struggle, the shoe is on the other foot and there has been a relentless and powerful propaganda depicting abortion as cruel butchery of the unborn.<br /><br />Better and more aggressive organization of the liberal/feminist interest on this matter cannot overcome that disadvantage.Philo Vaihingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17150326435392881297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-60982348686274277642013-03-27T22:51:43.093-04:002013-03-27T22:51:43.093-04:00Abortion is still a secret. Women don't talk a...Abortion is still a secret. Women don't talk about their abortions and certainly don't incorporate them into their lives and the story of their lives. So plenty of people can live in ignorance. After Harvey Milk insisted on it the gay community made a practice of coming out to friends and relatives. They knew that if they put a human face on the conccept of "the gay" that slowly the tide would turn. Homophobia itself helped their cause, in a sense, because the more intransigent the right wing was about accepting gay family and friends the starker the choice was when people came out.<br /><br />Abortion isn't like that and its not going to be like that. And as for contraception--its not like that either. Abortion remains secretive because its scary, dirty, and socially dissaproved and where its considered "therapeutic" (clean, nice, happening to a good woman who wanted the baby but somethign was wrong) people simply rationalize it away--they dont fit it into the category of abortion at all.<br /><br />As for contraception: its as though the more people use it the less they understand how it was fought for or how much the right wing wants to repeal it. They know, but they don't know.aimaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03956073425680585780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-80537201197155892512013-03-27T15:27:57.262-04:002013-03-27T15:27:57.262-04:00Right?Right?merlallenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01023548198899856438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-50428151731827364612013-03-27T15:27:34.831-04:002013-03-27T15:27:34.831-04:00When everyone is forced to gay marry we won't ...When everyone is forced to gay marry we won't need abortions anymore.merlallenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01023548198899856438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-74827746884056267792013-03-27T15:01:26.556-04:002013-03-27T15:01:26.556-04:00As I see it, the difference between the way a woma...As I see it, the difference between the way a woman's right to choose, and gay rights, have been handled, is that, with more and more gay people publically coming out of the closet in the past 30-20-10 years, more and more felt comfortable about coming out even more PUBLICALLY, and we now have what I'll call "2 Degree's of Senator Portman Seperation" start to happen - while he wasn't gay himself, his son was, and he has some incentive in seeing him have the same rights that the rest of us enjoy.<br />So, now he's the ONLY Republican Senator who say he approves of gay rights.<br />Progress!<br /><br />So, more and more coming out, publically, meant more and more exposure of people who were gay to the homophobes - who saw that some of their friends and family members were gay, or co-workers, even some church members, and, outside of sexual orientation, weren't some sort of child-molesting deviants, but were people just like them, with the same hopes, dreams, and fears.<br /><br />Gay people came out publically.<br /><br />Abortions are decided, for the most part, PRIVATELY, between a woman and her doctor - and, the significant other - but not always.<br /><br />And the Reich-wing has been successful in changing that 'scarlet letter,' "A," from 'Adultery,' to 'Abortion.'<br />And they kept the same religious stigma attached.<br />They had to drop the stigma on 'Adultery' because it's something that Conservative politicians, from Gingrich to Vitter to Sanford, have been routinely guilty of it.<br />So, end of major stigma - FOR THE MEN.<br /><br />Women don't typically "come out" about having abortions, like gays did - opening up the way for more of them to say it was ok.<br />That's the stigma, still at work.<br /><br />Besides, abortions are seen, not only as punishing "wanton sluts," but more specifically, non-white "wanton sluts." <br />The "wanton sluts" involved with, or related to, WHITE rich and powerful men, will always have access to abortions - just like they always have.<br />All it'll take is some money, and a discreet doctor, here, or overseas.<br /><br />So, while the aim of denying abortions-on-demand for women wasn't just to keep women under mens thumbs, but more specifically, to punish minority women especially.<br />Kicking people when they're already down is a Conservative trait.<br /><br />Until enough grandmothers, mothers, aunts, wives, girl-friends, sisters, daughters, and granddaughters of wealthy WHITE men come out and explain how the right to have abortions-on-demand not only saved their lives, but were critical to their families and their futures, abortion will remain, where available, something that's decided in PRIVATE between the woman, her doctor - and her significant other - but not always. <br /><br />Gay people were eventually allowed to celebrate "Gay Pride."<br />Until women can celebrate "Abortion Pride," we'll be stuck with this wedge issue for a long, long time to come.<br /><br />Stigma's remain, as long as people don't think they hurt folks like them.<br /><br />Them's my $0.02.<br />'Nuff said...<br /><br /><br />Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.com