tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post6419518040649856707..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: NOW TELL ME WHY SOME PEOPLE GET USED TO LYING TO THEMSELVESSteve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-1480014497761491702016-10-26T12:17:28.233-04:002016-10-26T12:17:28.233-04:00Late reading this but here's my two cents.
I...Late reading this but here's my two cents. <br /><br />I've notice people kinda get a kick out of lying, like since everyone is lying - so should they and that makes them get away with it.<br /><br />I've seen people lie for no reason other than to make themselves look good and feel better. Not like they were at the point of a gun and they had to lie to save their family. <br /><br />I'm in the .01% and have been called very gullible. I really try to be kindly honest with people and critically honest with myself. It's a work in progress on that last. So I fall for it when people lie to me because I take them at their word as they should take me at mine. <br /><br />I've wondered it that's what the other side means when they tell us to 'grow up' or that everyone turns into a republican as they get older. Maybe they mean that they think everyone lies, cheats, stereotypes, and becomes greedy and more ornier as they get older and as they realize 'what the world is'. <br /><br />For me, I just keep trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. It helps me to think there's still good in this world. <br /><br />Stellourshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00778153163852437649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-4596236583848829492016-10-25T12:05:02.711-04:002016-10-25T12:05:02.711-04:00I don't know about hacking but when my ex was ...I don't know about hacking but when my ex was cheating on me, a friend of mine referred me to Mr Robert I thought it wasn't real but he later proved me wrong by helping me to spy on my ex-husband and got me all the necessary evidence I needed. He helped me to hack and spy on his emails, mobile , all his social media and his bank accounts, Robert did all this remotely without touching his devices. You can contact him with mastershield55@ gmail.com if you are in the same shoe as I was.Tammyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15272565393057693654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-13970471439844571992016-10-25T11:20:30.265-04:002016-10-25T11:20:30.265-04:00Apologies if everyone has seen this already - Hunt...Apologies if everyone has seen this already - Hunter on the NRA's latest advert:<br /><br />http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/24/1586326/-The-National-Rifle-Association-releases-their-most-paranoid-election-screed-yet-and-it-s-amazing#read-more<br /><br />According to Media Matters, the NRA has spent more on the Trump campaign than any of Trump's SuperPACs.Jim Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01683702294178406033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-26506597452769215622016-10-25T10:40:52.637-04:002016-10-25T10:40:52.637-04:00@Feud: interesting, thanks for sharing. Not famili...@Feud: interesting, thanks for sharing. Not familiar with the blogger.<br /><br />Also at the Nature site today, "Statistics for Biologists, a Free Resource", which resolves to:<br /><br />http://www.nature.com/collections/qghhqm<br /><br />The Verge summary of the research, uh, resonates ... I've always thought of the effect as the natural result of the difficulty of keeping one's lies distinct from truth ... or put differently, the more you lie, the more difficult it becomes to distinguish lies from truth. Never occurred to me that a physiological explanation would be needed ...<br /><br />@SteveM: great post, thanks!Jim Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01683702294178406033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-77272743241825237112016-10-24T23:53:57.498-04:002016-10-24T23:53:57.498-04:00One of the authors of the 'Pennies' paper ...One of the authors of the 'Pennies' paper is Dan Ariely. At least some of us here will recognize that name, cuz he's not just a leading populist of behavior pscychology, he's one of yer bleeding heart liberals (Horrors!) and ... a blogger!<br /><br />http://danariely.com/all-about-dan/Feud Turgidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05379322096770703017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-42093060011192469862016-10-24T18:57:29.542-04:002016-10-24T18:57:29.542-04:00@Frank Wilhoit:
1) "Every child thinks this...@Frank Wilhoit: <br /><br />1) "Every child thinks this way ..."<br /><br />Several writers make the point that "extreme narcissists" have the emotional development of a 6yo, e.g.:<br /><br />[quote]<br /><b>All malignant narcissists are cases of arrested development.</b><br />They are perpetually living in a mindset of a young child. The age when a child is old enough to know the difference between right and wrong but very willing to do wrong if they think they won't get caught. Like a child, they feel entitled to whatever they want. Like a child, they recreate reality to suit their fantasy about themselves and the world around them. Like a child, they want all attention focused on them. But, unlike a child, the narcissist is not subject to being molded and shaped by authority figures or reality. The narcissist is determined (read here, conscious choice) to remain a child whereas most children are driven by a desire to grow up. Children are childish and there is no crime in that. I'm not pathologizing childhood. I'm highlighting that malignant narcissists are pathological children.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />(from here: http://narcissists-suck.blogspot.com/2009/03/malignant-narcissism-brief-overview.html )<br /><br />As before, I know nothing about the writer, but it's a common theme in the lay lit.)<br /><br />2) "failure ... one of education": yes, hmm no. yes, in the somewhat banal sense that children start out as consummate narcissists, and are "educated" by socializing experiences. Is socialization an objective in today's educational system? If so perhaps a form of "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" applies: can poorly socialized teachers teach socialization to children? Garbage in, garbage out. (Sorry, I'm a sucker for Latin quotes. Feel free to mock me mercilessly ... or to supply the Latin for GIGO.)<br /><br />Children with dysfunctional parents unsurprisingly often turn out dysfunctional. So I read, anyway.<br /><br />My point is that children are "educated" by many environmental influences, most of which aren't what one usually calls "education".<br /><br />3) Agreed that the American educational system seems to have lost its way. As a lad I thought "civics" courses a waste of time. Turns out that if you don't teach civics - I have the impression that "civics" has been left as roadkill - you get a citizenry that doesn't know how the gummint works ... or why gummint is structured the way it is. Cases too many to need a list, but just one example: Christine O'Donnell and the 1st Amendment.<br /><br />OTOH, could it be that we're both Grumpy Old Men? You know, "the past was better" ... when clearly the past wasn't better. The past was different, and in some ways much worse.<br /><br />4) I'm not sure what point you are making with your 2nd para. I'm neither a biologist nor an epidemiologist, but my impression is that conditions are ripe for an epidemic when more than 10% of the population are vectors, but the R factor is critical, so clearly I don't know what I'm talking about.<br /><br />Please elaborate? (Assuming our generous blog host doesn't mind these digressions ...)Jim Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01683702294178406033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-79343519871485251762016-10-24T17:38:14.810-04:002016-10-24T17:38:14.810-04:00@Jim Snyder: Every child thinks this way until the...@Jim Snyder: Every child thinks this way until they are taught better. The failure is therefore one of education. Humans are born insane and the function of education is to heal them. We have utterly abandoned the educational enterprise and are left with a population whose emotional age is about ten seconds.<br /><br />As we prepare to gloat over the forthcoming demonstration that Trump's people make up "only" (say) 42% of the country, we will measure that number with a political yardstick, where anything less than 50% is acceptable but the less the better. Instead I think we should look at that 42% (or whatever) number rather from the standpoint of an epidemiologist.Frank Wilhoithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17800594066476167549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-11966114556255452802016-10-24T17:11:53.202-04:002016-10-24T17:11:53.202-04:001) @Green Eagle: "no one easier to lie to tha...1) @Green Eagle: "no one easier to lie to than yourself ..."<br /><br />Richard Feynman stated a similar "rule of life" 50 years ago:<br /><br />"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool."<br /><br />Great minds think in the same rut ... :-)<br /><br />(Thus endeth this episode of Trivial Pursuit ...)<br />________________<br /><br />2) A quote tangentially relevant to Wayne LaPierre, from Altemeyer, about Right Wing Authoritarians and "social dominators" ... "one of the most useful skills a person <i>should</i> develop, [social dominators] say, is how to look someone straight in the eye and lie convincingly.[6]" The footnote mentions "the Big Lie" propaganda technique.<br />________________<br /><br />The rest is even more off-topic, just so you're warned ...<br /><br />3) There are more serious types of "fooling yourself". I know nothing about the writer, but this has stayed with me:<br /><br />[quote]<br />As is true generally of people with personality disorders, for narcissists feelings make facts. So, what is convenient for them to believe about something is what they believe.<br /><br />This is what makes narcissism a personality disorder: that their sense of reality is driven pervasively and fundamentally by their personality needs.<br /><br />...<br /><br />They live in a self-policing fortress of self-serving convenience. Everything gets re-construed to fit their convenience. And because the first person they lie to is themselves, they can be utterly sincere in what they spout.<br /><br />... their actions, your actions, just get re-construed to maintain the principle that their convenience comes first.<br /><br />Which means that their reality principle operates so they cannot see themselves. They really do live in a self-policing fortress of self-serving convenience.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />from here: http://lorenzo-thinkingoutaloud.blogspot.com/2009/12/understanding-narcissism.html<br /><br />And from another post by the same guy:<br /><br />"apprehension of reality is, in effect, policed before it can provide a contradicting perspective."<br /><br />Point being, for a narcissist, rational conflicts (which might trigger an intervention by one's conscience) never reach a conscious level of awareness ... conflicts are disposed of silently without the narcissist becoming aware that a conflict ever existed.<br /><br />That's my interpretation, anyway. I've seen the process in operation. As the writer says, the extent of the self-delusion can be staggering.<br /><br />(Caveat emptor: other than beaucoup reading about NPD, I have zero knowledge of psychology, so my interpretation is free and worth every penny you paid for it ...)<br /><br />4) Stitching together scattered thoughts: I seem to remember Altemeyer connecting RWA and narcissism somewhere - something about "group narcissism", I think - but not remembering where.<br /><br />Jim Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01683702294178406033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-27575675838486180712016-10-24T15:31:56.373-04:002016-10-24T15:31:56.373-04:00The NRA, and conservatism in general, has created ...The NRA, and conservatism in general, has created rage, fear, and hatred junkies in the rubes, suckers, dim/nit/half/fuck-wits who believe them.<br /><br />And, in order to give them the same "high," the NRA has to keep increasing the dosage. <br />And the marks want still more and more of their doses.Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-25616522228164457082016-10-24T15:26:57.589-04:002016-10-24T15:26:57.589-04:00One of my most basic rules of life: People believ...One of my most basic rules of life: People believe lies, largely not because the lies are plausible, but because it suits their purpose to believe them. Consequently, there is absolutely no one easier to lie to than yourself, because there is no one who has as much interest in believing your lies as you do.Green Eaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477132834757467690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-90570159407273059632016-10-24T14:57:48.968-04:002016-10-24T14:57:48.968-04:00Paranoid thoughts don't go away just because t...Paranoid thoughts don't go away just because the fate you fear hasn't happened yet. The NRA assures ammosexuals that it's so far successfully thwarted the gun grabbing liberals, then warns them it's only a matter of time the guns get grabbed, unless the NRA gets more money. Feeding a paranoids paranoia - it's what the NRA does best.Dr.BDHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16967210861668606959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-21285283649878275662016-10-24T14:38:32.362-04:002016-10-24T14:38:32.362-04:00Here's what I think. They know it's a lie,...Here's what I think. They know it's a lie, they just want to give themselves an excuse to buy more guns. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170909114322739705noreply@blogger.com