tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post6270283409614773006..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, MR. SPOCK ANALYZES THE PRESIDENTIAL RACESteve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-72217139542342699852016-03-23T15:06:16.416-04:002016-03-23T15:06:16.416-04:00It sure doesn't look that way, Steve. Though w...It sure doesn't look that way, Steve. Though with the DNC and apologist bloggers running interference for Hillary, it says something that Sanders has gotten as far as he has.<br /><br />Yes, Democratic voters wanted Hillary and soon they shall have her. Whether they will pleased with what they got - especially when she lurches right for the general election, any time now - remains to be seen.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05493939044872288977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-41621726073869391562016-03-23T14:23:25.387-04:002016-03-23T14:23:25.387-04:00Sanders can beat Trump. But can he beat Clinton? Sanders can beat Trump. But can he beat Clinton? Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-3322781277810351122016-03-23T13:37:39.564-04:002016-03-23T13:37:39.564-04:00It's not November yet, Steve. And there's ...It's not November yet, Steve. And there's someone else who can beat Trump - with the bonus that he's not shamelessly supporting Israel's criminality, so you don't have to spend time coming up with excuses for it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05493939044872288977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-87422876229566593442016-03-23T13:36:53.135-04:002016-03-23T13:36:53.135-04:00Unk, nothing personal intended here, but IMO your ...Unk, nothing personal intended here, but IMO your COMMENT is full of crap.<br /><br />AOT in my life, I've been a long term death penalty opponent. I've read a lot - way back to Jeremy Bentham days - and I've written a lot, and I've SPOKEN a lot to groups about the various and sundre reason why the death penalty can't, doesn't, shouldn't and never will work the way some or even most folks, folks who don't focus on (or obsess over) as I do. <br /><br />And I have reasons. I have many, many reasons: file folders of reasons, cabinets of reasons, books of reason, shelves of reasons, libraries of reasons. <br /><br />But I learned very early on in this that I just can't expect to haul a bunch of Reasons to a lecture or talk or forum and panel and expect that the crowd will see them all clattering behind me and say, as a group, Wow, look at all the REASONS that dude has: the pro capital punishment side is bound to just fold! <br /><br />Which they do approximately never.<br /><br />I could go on - for longer than you'd like, according to what my lengthy anecdotal experience and the odds tell me (Some like me to just keeping on trucking thru my library of reasons ... they're rare.). <br /><br />So, what I've learned to do, what I've struck on, is to keep it fresh and snappy and effective, stick to a few mutually complementary reasons, or even pound home one. One in particular I've found a lot of apparent success doing, with a certain type of crowd, is the Cost Analysis approach: how the costs associated with running a capital case thru to execution absolutely dwarf those associated with just warehousing even the worse perp of the most monstrous outrages on flesh conceivable.<br /><br />And EVEN THEN, so folks don't listen thru to the end where I tell them this is just one of LEGIONS of reasons I have, including those extending to morality. They appear to just think, Hey, that's what he CHOSE to raise, so that must be ALL he's concerned with.<br /><br />Your comment on HRC's public statement on torture makes me think you may well be one of those simpletons. I'm not saying you ARE a simpleton: after all, you were able to turn on your PC and get to this website and write superficially organized sentences and push "SEND". But hey: it's the only thing I have to go on, and you don't come off all that well on it.<br />Not for one moment or in any way am I in inclined to conclude that HRC, with her resume and her history of great causes, and multi-decades of dedication to taking on difficult jobs and seeing things thru, somehow been 'captured' by that one objection she chose to speak to, among the myriad she had available.<br /><br />Oh, and it also occurs to me you could be just an ugly warty smelly troll. I'm not saying you ARE that: just that your chosen avatar name is completely lights out, and the off the only evidence I have to go on, there's a hint of horsshit fried over easy on brimstone wafting thru the air.<br />Feud Turgidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05379322096770703017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-34932972111700301952016-03-23T12:48:22.917-04:002016-03-23T12:48:22.917-04:00And some don't even hear the words. They just...And some don't even hear the words. They just notice the tone of voice.Tom239https://www.blogger.com/profile/08284080992839010801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-84847379906405158052016-03-23T12:44:32.496-04:002016-03-23T12:44:32.496-04:00The far right voters in this country (much like ou...The far right voters in this country (much like our pet dogs and cats) hear only trigger words.<br /><br />"blah, blah, blah, terrorists, blah, blah, blah, torture, blah, blah, blah, Muslims, blah, blah, blah, Obama, etc.retiredenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11693405694592881395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-15459800839645046742016-03-23T12:44:30.424-04:002016-03-23T12:44:30.424-04:00Benefit of the doubt (as you know, I do that when ...Benefit of the doubt (as you know, I do that when appropriate): she's right. Torture is ineffective, inefficient, illogical and puts our assets in the field at further risk.<br /><br />Steve, Tom, you are right as well.Ten Bearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06594307610015584119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-55637961199388881522016-03-23T12:14:57.315-04:002016-03-23T12:14:57.315-04:00Therefore what, Unknown? In November, we should wi...Therefore what, Unknown? In November, we should withhold a vote from the candidate who's ruled out torture because she hasn't ruled out torture sufficiently for our tastes, when the only candidate who can beat her is a gleeful torture enthusiast? And that fights torture how exactly?Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-17733457318656589002016-03-23T11:39:57.102-04:002016-03-23T11:39:57.102-04:00Yeah, I think 'unstable' is the way they&#...Yeah, I think 'unstable' is the way they're going after Trump.<br /><br />But I also agree with Greg Sargent that Trump's lizard-brain appeal is really limited to Republicans, and won't play at all well in the general.Tom Hiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575511424823512042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-7121356348588259622016-03-23T11:21:44.117-04:002016-03-23T11:21:44.117-04:00Let history note that when asked whether Salah Abd...Let history note that when asked whether Salah Abdeslam should be tortured for information about the Brussels attack, Hillary Clinton said no because torture is "not effective". Not because it's illegal. Not because it's immoral. Just that, very regrettably, we couldn't be sure that what he said between his screams of torment would be reliable.<br /><br />So presumably when someone in the first country Hillary chooses to bomb captures an American soldier and has a different opinion about the "effectiveness" of torture, she'll have no argument to make as the waterboard is set up.<br /><br />Charming choice of candidate you've got there.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05493939044872288977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-33352283382650296492016-03-23T11:16:13.710-04:002016-03-23T11:16:13.710-04:00Trump is not exactly a lock for the nomination, th...Trump is not exactly a lock for the nomination, though. Some of his supposedly "pledged" delegates are not really secure, legally or de facto. (Cruz is going after "his" Georgia delegates, for example, Ron Paul style.) And, we will have a better picture after Wisconsin.<br /><br /> https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-important-states-on-trumps-path-to-1237-delegates/<br /><br /> Charon04https://www.blogger.com/profile/02755362669687773097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-13269065588049537912016-03-23T10:13:50.244-04:002016-03-23T10:13:50.244-04:00I believe that Trump is unstable is indeed the mes...I believe that Trump is unstable is indeed the message Clinton has begun to communicate.AllieGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994768860067988405noreply@blogger.com