tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post5865530901593429490..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: Steve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-2937183606783612162014-03-07T15:39:36.798-05:002014-03-07T15:39:36.798-05:00If Bernie is in the Dem primaries I will absolutel...If Bernie is in the Dem primaries I will absolutely prefer him for the Dem nomination to Hillary the warmongering, neocon, Zionist, neoliberal, third-way, bellicose pain in the backside.<br /><br />But if she's the Dem nominee it is hard to see how the eventual GOP nominee could be better than her, in net.<br /><br />And she could end up the nominee just because there are so many unrepentant PUMAs out there who will shriek like bipolar banshees that it's just her turn, dammit.Philo Vaihingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17150326435392881297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-41742225676439909522014-03-07T11:39:35.054-05:002014-03-07T11:39:35.054-05:00The point is that you might luck into a victory if...The point is that you might luck into a victory if you force a Republican who's not used to having to run seriously into an actual campaign, and possibly a gaffe. Or maybe, without funding, you just put a scare into an incumbent. I've seen that become newsworthy in New York a couple of times -- both Ed Koch and Mike Bloomberg underperformed in their last victorious mayoral elections, against woefully underfunded challengers. The press took notice that maybe the bloom was off the rose in each case.Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-60883166214901081812014-03-07T11:28:19.619-05:002014-03-07T11:28:19.619-05:00"Go out there in some district where a Republ..."Go out there in some district where a Republican expects not to even have to campaign, possibly a district where no Democrat is even bothering to run, and talk about raising the minimum wage and dialing back tax preferences for the wealthy and putting people to work by building infrastructure."<br /><br />The point is that these districts were gerrymandered to be safe. IF this had any chance of success, don't you think there would be a Democrat trying it? And if it doesn't have a chance -- le me be blunt -- do you think much of the electorate that this message appeals to will bother to show up on election day, without MASSIVE coordination to make it happen?Puddn'headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10391535013328648828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-35669906553445217182014-03-07T07:58:09.477-05:002014-03-07T07:58:09.477-05:00This is where the Occupy Movement failed.
They co...This is where the Occupy Movement failed.<br /><br />They could have been a force, if properly structured and led. Kind of like a Liberal Tea Party - only with more cross-over appeal. A lot of Independents and Moderates, and even some Republicans were, and still are, pissed-off at Wall Street and the Banksters. <br /><br />But they had some sort of aversion to "Leaders."<br />Probably in the fear of false-prophets hijacking their movement.<br /><br />It's a shame, because THAT, properly done, could have sprouted into a force.<br /><br />But now, we Liberals and Progressives are back to Square 1.<br /><br />And yeah, revolution start from the bottom and go up - not from Presidential candidate.<br /><br />I love Bernie, and would vote for him in a Primary.<br />But if he runs a 3rd Party, I won't touch him, because he could cause the Republicans to win, if people like me voted for him.<br /><br />Nader did enough damage as a 3rd Partier - we don't need another person "from the left" giving the sociopathic Republicans another win (even if that last win came from the SCOTUS).Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-90523919765573562212014-03-07T07:52:28.633-05:002014-03-07T07:52:28.633-05:00BK,
Barber is great.
I met with the man several ti...BK,<br />Barber is great.<br />I met with the man several times, and if his schedule allowed, he came down to the anti-war, anti-torture, anti-rendition protests in the Fayetteville, NC area, where I was one of the organizers.<br /><br />He's what a religious leader should be.<br />And I'm glad to see he's dropped a lot of weight since the last time I saw him in person, in 2008 - at the end of the year, having lost my job, I moved back to Upstate NY.Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-15709539308601512392014-03-06T22:16:13.601-05:002014-03-06T22:16:13.601-05:00Thanks, Steve M., and I couldn't agree more. ...Thanks, Steve M., and I couldn't agree more. Bernie ought to come down to N.C. and see what building a real movement is all about. Rev. Barber could teach hima thing or two. Fusion! BKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07868520153174639320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-85264066349708365082014-03-06T19:21:40.528-05:002014-03-06T19:21:40.528-05:00But I wish a few people were trying to beta-test t...<i>But I wish a few people were trying to beta-test the notion this year in congressional races. Go out there in some district where a Republican expects not to even have to campaign, possibly a district where no Democrat is even bothering to run, and talk about raising the minimum wage and dialing back tax preferences for the wealthy and putting people to work by building infrastructure.</i><br /><br /><br /><br />Because the DCCC would ignore them, as would the local media. I'm not using it as an excuse to do nothing. Just pointing out what would happen. I think Bernie's point is, while not saying it explicitly, that since he's a sitting US Senator he'll get more press/attention than a 3rd patty candidate otherwise would. He's stated before that the reason for him to run would be because the issues that matter to Joe and Jane Public aren't getting addressed.Phil Perspectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13540815981930702517noreply@blogger.com