tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post3414990921930921030..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: CONSERVATIVE HERO BEN CARSON DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO INVADE AFGHANISTANSteve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-16892410339728690582015-05-22T02:50:11.316-04:002015-05-22T02:50:11.316-04:00There are few limits to what conservatives believe...There are few limits to what conservatives believe a president can accomplish if only he has the WILL. Carson's idiocy is no sillier than Christie swearing Putin would know better than to step out of line if he was in the White House, or McCain telling us he'd sort out Iraq by getting the warring factions together and telling them sternly to cut the crap. Most right wingers didn't laugh or ridicule; they nodded wisely and called it a refreshing display of Strong Leadership.Ken_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11709548046018362581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-28162713023248830762015-05-21T17:50:47.858-04:002015-05-21T17:50:47.858-04:00The only problem with this analysis is the price o...The only problem with this analysis is the price of oil was low in 2002 at ~$21.00- $27/barrel at the time. So the US gas prices would have skyrocketted.<br /><br />And yes Afghanistan cares about oil prices?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10650176472257502029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-46938702415868240782015-05-21T17:48:11.789-04:002015-05-21T17:48:11.789-04:00Ben Carson can go against conservative orthodoxy o...Ben Carson can go against conservative orthodoxy only to a point. Just as Bernie Sanders is useful momentarily to neo-liberals. If either starts skewing the math unpredictably, their respective villages will stone them senseless.petrillihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17889489779105405703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-35206065692437985002015-05-21T16:33:18.332-04:002015-05-21T16:33:18.332-04:00I woukdfv say no. The line he is drawing is from S...I woukdfv say no. The line he is drawing is from Saudi Arabia, to the Pakistani mosques/madrassas, to the support of ISI for the Taliban in Afghanistan.<br /><br />If we somehow squeezed SA, who then pressured Mushariffe (? Military dicctator of P at the time) who then told.ISI to get binLaden, it would have happened.<br /><br />Getting SA to do that might have been possible,espexially in the context of our support for.the Northern Alliance driving the Taliban from the North, and making a deal for them to keep Kandahar.Joey_Blauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10531535968137332174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-50973635483621031462015-05-21T14:51:55.235-04:002015-05-21T14:51:55.235-04:00However another interesting question is whether Ca...<i>However another interesting question is whether Carson thinks Afghanistan is an oil power and populated by Arabs, as his statement suggests. (I'm betting yes.)</i><br /><br />Me too.Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-17634027047893771292015-05-21T14:48:12.463-04:002015-05-21T14:48:12.463-04:00I would use the bully pulpit...and...say within 10...<i>I would use the bully pulpit...and...say within 10 years we’re going to become petroleum independent,” Carson told TheDC....“And that would’ve been much more effective than going to war because, first of all, the moderate Arab states would’ve been terrified. And they would’ve handed over Osama Bin Laden and anybody else we wanted on a silver platter to keep us from doing that..."</i><br /><br />So after 9/11, President Carson would have made a speech, and then a terrified Saudi Arabia would have handled over Osama Bin Laden?<br /><br />Right.<br /><br />Glennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03681336164718681936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-76199012011070253172015-05-21T13:59:43.673-04:002015-05-21T13:59:43.673-04:00"Did they ever actually read them?"
The..."Did they ever actually read them?"<br /><br />These guys don't even read the Bible. That was a rhetorical question, of course. Also, I think Aimai is onto something - think of Carson as a weird political variant of the scapegoat. Just as you loaded up a scapegoat with all your sins and crimes so that you were excused, so Carson gets to hold those "crypto-Liberal" views so that Real Republicans get credit, but don't get tainted with them. It's not like they really care - the Republicans despise anyone like Carson, so he can hold whatever views he wants and it doesn't matter (as long as he hates the right sort of people, anyway). They can pretend those views somehow represent some sort of Republican belief just like they pretend that Carson is some sort of Republican human being. It's more efficient to combine all the make-believe things that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-44633974468025999402015-05-21T13:26:11.770-04:002015-05-21T13:26:11.770-04:00Aimai is right. However another interesting questi...Aimai is right. However another interesting question is whether Carson thinks Afghanistan is an oil power and populated by Arabs, as his statement suggests. (I'm betting yes.)Yastreblyanskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08335868257729063363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-54829071946680271172015-05-21T11:30:24.934-04:002015-05-21T11:30:24.934-04:00I had no idea Ben Carson had ever been sane!I had no idea Ben Carson had ever been sane!Professor Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07983291640844939759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-82686158876069090452015-05-21T11:21:22.175-04:002015-05-21T11:21:22.175-04:00Uh.. those were not such bad ideas. Leaving other ...Uh.. those were not such bad ideas. Leaving other countries alone to decide their own forms of government and economy is a good thing.Joey_Blauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10531535968137332174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-3990637095969714872015-05-21T10:40:10.080-04:002015-05-21T10:40:10.080-04:00aimai,
Billiant!
As usual. :-)aimai,<br />Billiant!<br />As usual. :-)Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-51241006987574069882015-05-21T10:14:04.632-04:002015-05-21T10:14:04.632-04:00I don't think this reads this way to Conservat...I don't think this reads this way to Conservatives at all. Like liberals, they occasionally can decide that having someone who is "From their side" tell them a different perspective is ok, even welcomed. If they believe that Carson is a true conservative (whatever that means to them) he can say whatever he likes and they will say "shows how open minded and thoughtful conservatives are, how tolerant, how deep."<br /><br />On the subject of Iraq and his anti fossil fuel talk I think plenty of republican voters might welcome his argument because it gets them off the hook for George Bush's war. They can say "there were conservative alternatives to the failed war so the shame of it isn't on us." <br /><br />I think Carson can stay a conservative folk favorite as long as he doesn't repudiate conservative views on race and responsibility. That is: as long as he doesn't suddenly betray his identity as the "good" and successful black man who (like the old bill cosby!) could lecture bad black people on how their poverty or their abuse by police was their own fault.<br /><br />The right wing needs its Ben Carsons, like they need their Phyllis Schlafleys, to undermine liberal narratives of racism and sexism. As long as he continues to do that he can softly challenge other orthodoxies all he wants.aimaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03956073425680585780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-4670928852145318802015-05-21T09:22:55.798-04:002015-05-21T09:22:55.798-04:00Doesn't Carson know that the base craves raw m...Doesn't Carson know that the base craves raw meat?<br /><br />How does he expect to win by throwing the base some tofu?Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.com