tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post3349863005558021277..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE JEBSteve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-39504032554353470652016-09-20T16:17:36.590-04:002016-09-20T16:17:36.590-04:00...does it occur to her that her ardent courting o...<i>...does it occur to her that her ardent courting of Republicans reinforced their sense that she's not for them?</i><br /><br />This just drives me nuts. The leftier-than-thou folks who object to bringing moderate Republicans on board are effectively saying it's not enough to have a solidly progressive platform, it's not enough to do real substantive outreach to progressives, she also has to keep the 'wrong' people out of the party. Clinton hasn't changed her position in any way in order to attract Republican support; her crime, apparently, is in not <i>rejecting</i> Republican support. It's as if they have no idea whatsoever that in America, parties have to assemble broad coalitions in order to win.Tom Hiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575511424823512042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-9909771296971971982016-09-20T14:20:15.963-04:002016-09-20T14:20:15.963-04:00We can't know how things would be going if San...We can't know how things would be going if Sanders, or Biden or O'Malley or (your choice here), had been the nominee. What we can and do know is how they are going with HRC as the nominee: so far, despite massively outspending DT on TV and despite more hotshot campaign wizards & Dem officeholders (and now, Repub has-beens and moneybags) than you can shake a stick at, things are not going well at all. Something else we can and do know is that HRC's favorability ratings began their inexorable decline just as soon as she announced her candidacy last year - before Sanders had even announced and certainly before his candidacy could have had any impact. (I refer you to HuffPo polling averages for substantiation.)<br /><br />In light of all this, as a 64-year-old reliable Dem voter beginning with McGovern, I am repelled and embarrassed by the millenial-bashing I see coming from too many of my contemporaries. If you want to talk about strutting and pouting, I'd say Clara Jeffery and Kevin Drum are the current champs at it: strutting in their self-importance and pouting because (despite plentiful warning signs going back for over a year) the electorate (particularly independents and young folks) isn't responding to their condescension and browbeating. I'll vote for HRC because DT is an unthinkable prospect, but it'll be in spite of the likes of Jeffery and Drum, not because of them. CHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15409212720220729669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-78529687296672137782016-09-20T14:15:37.583-04:002016-09-20T14:15:37.583-04:002010 and 2014*2010 and 2014*Riverboat Gramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03976355635367962100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-21033355261186995142016-09-20T14:14:33.433-04:002016-09-20T14:14:33.433-04:00Democrats reaching out to moderate Republicans whi...Democrats reaching out to moderate Republicans while ignoring younger voters in their own party? Say it ain't so. It's fine, though; I'm sure the constant finger wagging from party centrists and general dismissive "shut up and fall in line" attitude will really light a fire under them to vote D, just like it did in 2012 and 2014. That always works, or why would Dem centrists keep doing it over and over again?<br />Riverboat Gramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03976355635367962100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-259798661353696962016-09-20T13:32:15.954-04:002016-09-20T13:32:15.954-04:00I supported Clinton when her victory in the primar...I supported Clinton when her victory in the primaries was inevitable. At that point, I thought Dems and the left should pull in the same direction. <br /><br />We have absolutely no idea what the general election contest would have looked like with Sanders as the nominee because we never saw what the GOP had planned for Sanders. The attack ads and damaging stories would have been brutal, because Republicans are excellent at character assassination. (Ask John Kerry and Mike Dukakis.) Sanders might have survived, but those double-digit leads he had when no one from the GOP was saying anything anything negative about him are not a reliable indicator.Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-30107119919033412182016-09-20T13:08:58.856-04:002016-09-20T13:08:58.856-04:00You supported the wrong candidate in the primary. ...You supported the wrong candidate in the primary. She'll have my vote and many others but the general wouldn't even be close if Sanders were running.pbriggsiamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07782352132658108300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-85942847286557235342016-09-20T11:06:39.745-04:002016-09-20T11:06:39.745-04:00Now we see her reaching out to millennial fans of ...<i>Now we see her reaching out to millennial fans of Bernie Sanders -- does it occur to her that her ardent courting of Republicans reinforced their sense that she's not for them?</i><br /><br />They were always looking for reasons to inflame their sense that "she's not for them," and strut and pout about it. That was the entirety of the "movement."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-89381747954095961922016-09-20T10:39:11.590-04:002016-09-20T10:39:11.590-04:00I told you months ago most of my clientele - Repub...I told you months ago most of my clientele - Republicans all, Titans of Local Industry, one quite possibly the most successful micro-brewer in the county - have expressed to me their intent to vote Hillary. As if Oregon votes counted.<br /><br />Caveat Emptor<br /><br />O'owlish Amenhen<br />(Ten Bears)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-85158678341500416742016-09-20T08:56:18.578-04:002016-09-20T08:56:18.578-04:00Her outreach to millennials was comedy gold. Did n...Her outreach to millennials was comedy gold. Did no one on her staff hear how "Hold me accountable" sounds like "Stop me before I strike again"?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05493939044872288977noreply@blogger.com