tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post1991829458306332840..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: Steve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-53723224954127001972013-07-31T21:18:59.394-04:002013-07-31T21:18:59.394-04:00@Tom Hilton
Tutu has been saying that sort of thi...@Tom Hilton<br /><br />Tutu has been saying that sort of thing for years.<br /><br />He's not the most prominent, just from our perspective. Local leaders are. The Catholic head in Uganda has form, similar to Francis and that meant more than Tutu. Same in Malawi with some Christian leaders there playing a calming role.<br /><br />Tutu's disregarded by, say, Catholics but also the evangelical mob which thrive with US seed funding (US is exporting homophobia dontchaknow). It's largely them driving the backlash which is going on.<br /><br />I think as well that the OTT reaction of conservative Catholics shows that Francis' comments carry weight.<br /><br />I'm not schilling for him, just thinking this will be good for Africa.paulocanninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499916652508144662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-67986119118101806342013-07-31T11:48:34.862-04:002013-07-31T11:48:34.862-04:00Other Christian leaders there would never say this...<i>Other Christian leaders there would never say this, so it has some meaning.</i><br /><br />Except that the single most prominent Christian leader in Africa made a <a href="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/07/201372619342804519.html" rel="nofollow">much stronger statement against homophobia</a> than Pope Francis will ever make. Tom Hiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575511424823512042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-87743186655566094502013-07-31T00:04:56.719-04:002013-07-31T00:04:56.719-04:00"The Catholic Church never yields on doctrine..."The Catholic Church never yields on doctrine."<br /><br />Exactly. Too many forget, or pretend to forget. <br /><br />There will be no actual doctrinal change. Philo Vaihingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17150326435392881297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-6400807528722000652013-07-30T16:06:50.089-04:002013-07-30T16:06:50.089-04:00Good point.
(Though I think it'll take more ...Good point. <br /><br />(Though I think it'll take more than an offhand remark to have an impact on the anti-gay movements in Africa. Actual doctrinal change would be a lot more effective.) Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-83119328542689865962013-07-30T14:30:30.077-04:002013-07-30T14:30:30.077-04:00The sunny view seen through an African context mak...The sunny view seen through an African context makes his statement important.<br /><br />Other Christian leaders there would never say this, so it has some meaning.paulocanninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499916652508144662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-36684549531572942382013-07-30T12:20:48.518-04:002013-07-30T12:20:48.518-04:00Andy Borowitz pretty much nailed it on his FB page...Andy Borowitz pretty much <a href="https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151785050670681&id=38423635680" rel="nofollow">nailed it</a> on his FB page today:<br /><br />"It's official: Pope Francis has a more modern view of gays than Justice Scalia."Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10651455277401911296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-27781070199469466512013-07-30T11:51:17.237-04:002013-07-30T11:51:17.237-04:00I lean more toward Steve's view than the more ...I lean more toward Steve's view than the more optimistic interpretation. The Roman church is so fundamentally corrupt and evil--evil and corruption are so fundamental to their ideology--that even if Pope Francis is as good as a lot of people would like to think, it wouldn't make much difference in the church.<br /><br />The absolute best case scenario would be that Francis is the Roman church's Gorbachev, but I'm not sure he has the inclination to be that figure and I'm not sure he'd succeed if he does.Tom Hiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17575511424823512042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-25868321075116833942013-07-30T09:40:31.496-04:002013-07-30T09:40:31.496-04:00Anyone who believes in the infallibility of any Ma...Anyone who believes in the infallibility of any Man is simply self-serving or willfully ignorant. Pallihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06610910291627363042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-6781745817106942472013-07-30T08:34:37.280-04:002013-07-30T08:34:37.280-04:00All Catholic priests are supposed to be chaste, so...All Catholic priests are supposed to be chaste, so gay or straight doesn't matter. The call to chastity is correct given the parameters.Carol Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12123896090649532723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-24781644371802429562013-07-30T07:49:46.909-04:002013-07-30T07:49:46.909-04:00I don't know, Steve, I understand your point -...I don't know, Steve, I understand your point - but sometimes even a small subtle shift to something a bit more positive like this, and away from open gay-bashing, can be seen as helpful.<br /><br />He's at least acknowledging gays as human beings.<br /><br />And, "...who am I to judge them?", sure seems like a step in the right direction.<br /><br />I'd like to hear more of our American Reich Wingers saying the same thing. <br />They judge everyone every second of their lives, and if they don't meet their strict standards, immediately want to banish everyone who disagrees with them even in the slightest, to spend all eternity in Hell.<br /><br />I'd welcome hearing an authentic, "Judge not, lest ye be judged," coming from Tony Perkins and Pat Robertson.Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.com