tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post1120567823840794505..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: THE HARDCORE BERNERS WON'T COME BACK TO THE DEMOCRATS UNTIL YEARS INTO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATIONSteve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-24782723655928026302016-05-27T09:54:02.800-04:002016-05-27T09:54:02.800-04:00Wow! For a second there I wasn't sure if I wer...Wow! For a second there I wasn't sure if I were reading comments at Little Green Footballs, or Ace of Spades.<br /><br />Jesus Hussain Christ, untwist your panties: Hillary will be your next "president". That decision has already been made, and all of this is naught but kombutki theater to leave the rubes feeling as if they were somehow participant.<br /><br />My conscious is clear.Ten Bearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06594307610015584119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-81412199773991997892016-05-27T08:14:19.972-04:002016-05-27T08:14:19.972-04:00The Hillary Clinton campaign isn't "conde...The Hillary Clinton campaign isn't "condescending, threatening, and scolding" at all, though. I support Hillary Clinton and think Bernie Sanders is a fraud and a crank, but that's just me. This notion that the campaign from on high has treated Bernie Sanders supporters badly is a fiction Bernie Sanders people tell themselves because they have A WHOLE LOT invested in the idea that they're a righteous suffering remnant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-6714644967838647922016-05-27T07:25:33.848-04:002016-05-27T07:25:33.848-04:00Knock it off, Chai, your harshing their high. They...Knock it off, Chai, your harshing their high. They need a new Nader meme for the next 16 years and they will have it by God.petrillihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17889489779105405703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-81402016665553612942016-05-27T01:30:03.657-04:002016-05-27T01:30:03.657-04:00My prediction: someone on Hillary's campaign t...My prediction: someone on Hillary's campaign team will do the math in a month or so and realize, "Oh shit, we actually <i>do</i> need to win the support of many of these Democratic-leaning progressive independents we've been condescending to, threatening, and scolding." <br />And that their "STFU, Trump that's why!" outreach strategy just isn't working like they had hoped for some reason.<br />Then, finally, it will sink in -- that while hippie-punching and finger-wagging and Get off my lawning sure is damn fun, winning against Trump is a whole better.Chai T. Ch'uanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10956478299220539612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-25911244006317407172016-05-26T19:55:38.861-04:002016-05-26T19:55:38.861-04:00This piece qualifies among the worse of Steve M. W...This piece qualifies among the worse of Steve M. Worry Wart 2016 Collection.<br /><br />'In addition to old white racist Fos addicts and Trump holding such a revolting level of appal of appeal with male white supremacists that we have to look to post WWI Italy and Germany for useful comparators, turns out there are millions of American morons between 17 and 36 who live in a special mental universe only reachable by Bernie fricking Sanders and Jill No-Chance Stein and it's impossible to see most of them out-growing their naive predominantly puerile but also pink pony fantasies within any time period relevant to this year's national elections, because it requies them being violently stomped in the head by Trump raving skinhead jackboots or being dopped-kicked in the balls by their own federal administration led by a narcissistic dickwad'<br /><br />Steve, this is is America, man - I really dunno WTF you expected.Feud Turgidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05379322096770703017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-28553878832873133982016-05-26T19:40:38.402-04:002016-05-26T19:40:38.402-04:00Ian Welsh must be just another woman-hating Bernie...Ian Welsh must be just another woman-hating Bernie Bro.<br /><br />It's the only explanation.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05493939044872288977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-78289425200326645672016-05-26T18:58:21.361-04:002016-05-26T18:58:21.361-04:00Deeds, Not Words
Ian Welsh makes a powerful point ...Deeds, Not Words<br />Ian Welsh makes a powerful point today on the degree to which we should pay attention when politicians claim that they have “learned from mistakes” made earlier.<br /><br />"Hillary Clinton is not credible in having learned from the Iraq fiasco, because she was also for Libya. She didn’t learn the practical lesson (destroying a regime is easy, not having the country become a failed state is hard); nor did she learn the ethical lesson (don’t attack countries who haven’t attacked you.)<br /><br />Clinton is not credible, because her actions have not changed. She’d be for the next Iraq in a heart-beat and find reasons why it was justified. Her rhetoric against Russia and Putin might as well be from the Cold War and is a great threat to world peace (and survival.)"KenRighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02861276158382647529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-57938169556279463052016-05-26T18:33:41.634-04:002016-05-26T18:33:41.634-04:00Steve, the people who hate the Democratic party fr...Steve, the people who hate the Democratic party from the left never vote Democratic anyway. They vote for Jill Stein or Deez Nuts or they write in the ghost of Abbie Hoffman or they stay home, but they never vote for the Democrats because we're just a bunch of bought-off neoliberal corporate warmongers who aren't any different than the GOP. The only reason they would have voted Democratic in this election would have been if Sanders got the nod. <br /><br />In other words, the Democrats could never count on these votes to begin with, so they didn't lose them. And there aren't that many of them in any case. The only reason it seems like there are a lot is because they make so much goddamn noise. They're the mouse that roared.D. Husseinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15765325311355038313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-30120458620180111882016-05-26T17:27:11.372-04:002016-05-26T17:27:11.372-04:00Lots of good points there Steve but I really belie...Lots of good points there Steve but I really believe the disgust for Trump will overwhelm all other factors mentioned. Hillary 54%. Trump 44%. Etc 1%. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14006984334289913006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-67208084116459139092016-05-26T15:42:25.086-04:002016-05-26T15:42:25.086-04:00What is this "back" to the Democratic Pa...What is this "back" to the Democratic Party? Hillary has won an overwhelming majority of self-identified Democrats. She won Democrats in every state except New Hampshire and Vermont. She'd have an even larger lead in the primaries had Bernie not benefited from the anti-democratic caucus system, as the primary results in Nebraska and Washington showed. When more people can participate, she wins.<br /><br />Bernie die-hards are not Democrats now, and they never have been.IG: @DudeKembrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537851750796856422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-51371022137904265262016-05-26T15:15:22.016-04:002016-05-26T15:15:22.016-04:00They have to learn the lesson from scratch.
Yeah,...<i>They have to learn the lesson from scratch.</i><br /><br />Yeah, too many Millennials seem to be making questionable choices. Let's not forget who raised them (or didn't raise them), however. I think the Bush Jr. years, for a lot of young voters, may be more a vague sense of the carelessness of one isolated guy, rather than proof that Republican rule must be avoided at all costs.<br /><br />Obama maintained a level of media cool that many of these kids will want to see upheld, one way or another. I'd hoped that Hillary could become the <i>hippest granny ever</i> for them, but so far she's coming off more like prissy (and hypocritical) Mrs. Clinton in front of the class, scolding those impudent bad boys Trump and Sanders. She's definitely gonna need a firebrand VP, Elizabeth Warren or no.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10944458838509326421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-24287200869864177042016-05-26T15:09:20.058-04:002016-05-26T15:09:20.058-04:00As usual, a Beltway journalist is dying to find a ...As usual, a Beltway journalist is dying to find a third party to write about. "People I met at rallies and campaign workers" do not equal "significant bloc of voters." Also "What I said I'do in November back in May" does not always equal "what I did on November 8." I'm sure there will be some dead-enders. Stein didn't get shut out in 2012 after all. But she and Gary Johnson (coming soon to a Beltway thumb-sucker near you) will have their glory before Labor Day, not after.AllieGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994768860067988405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-10901820097508299572016-05-26T15:02:55.064-04:002016-05-26T15:02:55.064-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10944458838509326421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-16120332121757487572016-05-26T14:50:45.285-04:002016-05-26T14:50:45.285-04:00Learn the lesson from scratch?
None of us may be ...Learn the lesson from scratch?<br /><br />None of us may be around after thin-skinned, hot-tempered tRUMP's first couple of years!<br /><br />It's nice that these young folks have found a political 'cause' they really believe in.<br />But they have to realize the 'because' that goes with that, too!<br />'Because' if they sit this election out, or vote for Stein, a man who makes W look like an intellectual giant will sit in the Oval Office Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.com