tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post5649758574252643413..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: FORGET JEB -- HERE'S HOW THE IRAQ WAR DEBATE IS BEING PUSHED RIGHTWARD, BY THE "LIBERAL MEDIA"Steve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-29069405828240968832015-05-22T02:59:27.301-04:002015-05-22T02:59:27.301-04:00The inevitable result of trying to 'support th...The inevitable result of trying to 'support the troops' while condemning the war is this kind of irrational 'but their deaths must not be in vain' nonsense. <br /><br />Lots of soldiers' deaths are in vain ... wasted lives whose end had neither nobility nor meaning. The appropriate response is to savage the politicians and generals who sent them to die, not to demand that even more young people be thrown into the cauldron in an effort to get some return on the original investment.Ken_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11709548046018362581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-78090327704623705822015-05-20T19:21:46.364-04:002015-05-20T19:21:46.364-04:00Well, we chose - or, at least we didn't rebel ...Well, we chose - or, at least we didn't rebel when the people we elected chose - to "look forward, not back" in 2008. And here we are, with these same bastards still trying to lie their way to hustling the East.<br /><br />I can't say it any better than I did back in 2013:<br /><br />"...we petty men will - now and forever - creep between the broken legs of the statue in Firdos Square and peep about to find ourselves dishonorable graves.<br /><br />The war may have killed thousands but completely spared the lives and even the public careers of the wretched, greedy, cowardly liars that summoned it from the depths of the Eblis of national fear, violence, and hubris. And we have chosen to accept that without demur. That is our shame. That is our crime; not that we committed the wrong but that we did not punish it when we saw that it was wrong.<br /><br />The persistence of these Tin Gods in the public life of our nation is, and should be, a great enduring unbearable shame to us, all of us, us the We the People who were entrusted with the honor and truth of this nation. We have chosen to be a nation of Men rather than a nation of Law, chosen comfortable dishonor above painful rectitude, chosen the deaths of others rather than to sacrifice ourselves.<br /><br />When our generation is remembered it should be for that, and for that above all. Whatever good we have done, whatever kindnesses we may do, the crimes for which we hung the defeated leaders of Nazi Germany, the crime of making aggressive war, the "crimes against peace" of Nuremberg; the crimes of others that by our acceptance and indifference we have made our own, will remain with us always. Like the unquiet ghosts of the dead of Baghdad, Ramadi, and Basra, like the mournful fragments of the GIs flown home inside plastic sacks, and like the cries of the headscarved women, weeping for sons and fathers and lovers vanished in the morning mists that rise above the Tigris as the merciless dawn floods the watermeadows with light as red as blood."<br /><br />http://firedirectioncenter.blogspot.com/search/label/IraqFDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-56200314691019051152015-05-20T13:07:14.170-04:002015-05-20T13:07:14.170-04:00I get pretty pissed when people say "Well, at...I get pretty pissed when people say "Well, at least Saddam is gone, and the world is better off for that" No, the world is not better off. We lost over 4000 troops and that price pales when compared to what the Iraqi people have paid. The whole region. But then, from the lens of a neo-con, this level of suffering and disfunction may look like success.petrillihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17889489779105405703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-84815965308888728532015-05-20T11:17:21.283-04:002015-05-20T11:17:21.283-04:00Good morning, Vietnam.Good morning, Vietnam.Philo Vaihingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17150326435392881297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-10856771307333890152015-05-20T10:57:49.165-04:002015-05-20T10:57:49.165-04:00Sunken Cost Fallacy on steroids!Sunken Cost Fallacy on steroids!mcfrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07273740742656269901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-60419882131446507372015-05-20T10:45:12.582-04:002015-05-20T10:45:12.582-04:00Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, three misadventures...Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, three misadventures where men and women served and died in service of a lie. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657817538967363082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-38109286752442322352015-05-20T09:25:30.803-04:002015-05-20T09:25:30.803-04:00No one listens to the widows and the grieving pare...No one listens to the widows and the grieving parents when their spouses and children are taken from them, and no one listens to them now that they are in the position (supposedly) of wanting to throw good lives after bad deaths. This is all nothing but fakery, propaganda, and posturing. In reality very few Americans were killed in Iraq, it is the Iraqis who suffered, whose blood (if any blood) hallows their own territory. We've handled our own populatio with kid gloves, hidden from them the true cost of the war <i>for the Iraqis</i> been unable to admit to them, to educate them, on the cruel loss that their own children's lives were given the immorality and the war itself. I'm sorry for this woman and her loss. But lets not kid ourselves: the Fox News/Murdoch empire will manufacture these dead bodies to make its point even if such a mother never existed, or never said what she said. The reality of her life, or her son's death, is nothing to the goal of permanent militarization.aimaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03956073425680585780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-25309398911534080032015-05-20T09:00:02.733-04:002015-05-20T09:00:02.733-04:00"We deserve to burn in hell for asking them t..."We deserve to burn in hell for asking them to do it."<br /><br />Collectively?<br />Yes.<br /><br />Individually?<br />No.<br /><br />Some of us fought tooth and nail against W's & Dick'd horrible Middle Eastern adventure.<br /><br />And we'll be paying for this war for over a 1/2 century - in more blood, and a lot more treasure.<br /><br />Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.com