tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post4928939826723349064..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: Steve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-69295884588315875222013-01-06T20:23:09.124-05:002013-01-06T20:23:09.124-05:00The key deliberate tactic of the right (sic)(NRA) ...The key deliberate tactic of the right (sic)(NRA) is to confuse the goals (SPIN TACTIC).<br />i.e. Fire arm control isn't about stopping murders period. <br />hence their quoting similar murder rates etc. <br />The reality is That fire arm control is about reducing unnecessary deaths and particularly in the case of all but one horrendous anomaly in those countries with this sort of control....The MASSIVE REDUCTION OF MASS INNOCENTS SHOOTING.<br />As I've said before which is more tolerable 'son goes nuts and stabs his Mom' or What IS Hook Creek?<br />If we want to eliminate or reduce crime shootings then we need to reel in the capitalist notion that what the people want they can have...regardless of the consequences.<br />Likewise we need to look at the better wealth distribution,less extremes, more equity not necessarily equality (There is a BIG difference).<br />Have a look at the TV how many shows show 'justified (sic) brutal killings? <br />What's Christian in that? <br />God (s) only know what this is justifying in the minds of the less rational members of our society. <br />I observe that it's not just the violence but it's ever increasing SIMPLISTIC FIXATION on it as an acceptable solution.<br />I never cease being bemused by the firearm nuts that rant about killing intruders ....without any inkling of the consequences to them and their family.<br />Again the gods know how many people I've counselled after such shootings. I can tell you authoratively the effect on the other family members after a shooting (death or not)is Horrendous. <br />Consider for example how many (trained and conditioned) VETS have issues neuroses, break downs, PTSD and suicides.<br /> BTW what is rarely discussed is the the police who have similar issues and similar results. SWAT squad members have high burnout rates. <br />Frankly many Firearm nutters if put in the position would probably freeze, fire wildly but more likely have a life time of issues.<br />If this wasn't true why do they imagine the above forces have minimum standards including psych tests.? <br />Simply put business doesn't care their job is to sell more and make more profit! Examinatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08990595916031900662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-41993158986298161312013-01-05T21:49:07.966-05:002013-01-05T21:49:07.966-05:00Setting aside the crude yet not necessarily inaccu...Setting aside the crude yet not necessarily inaccurate visuals "Third World" is a daily reality on The Rez.Ten Bearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06594307610015584119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-68775308187519688862013-01-05T20:29:05.421-05:002013-01-05T20:29:05.421-05:00I would add fundamentalist religion to the mix: no...I would add fundamentalist religion to the mix: no matter how low we go, "God never gives us more than we can handle," and if our "freedoms" mean thousands of innocents get slaughtered by gun-toting shoppers & untrained "guards," well, it's just that much sooner the victims will be "angels in heaven." <br /><br />Make reality intolerable for most Americans, but promise things will be great "on the other side." Now, there's a lovely twist on American optimism.<br /><br />The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.commarieburnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05551898556011521804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-13873682985811312902013-01-05T19:41:45.955-05:002013-01-05T19:41:45.955-05:00All good points. It's interesting that in gun...All good points. It's interesting that in gun-controlled New York City, the suicide rate is quite low: <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pr2012/pr005-12.shtml" rel="nofollow">one-fourth the national average,</a> in fact.Steve M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-38743156673938269382013-01-05T18:53:25.153-05:002013-01-05T18:53:25.153-05:00PS
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This is a terrific topic in that it has...PS <br />Steve <br />This is a terrific topic in that it has the seeds of a real meaningful discussion that might result in something worth while.<br />Clearly there is much more I could add to the pot but I fear it may be too effort draining to read/ absorb. For the 'titillation squad' or the 'armchair political regurgitator'Examinatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08990595916031900662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-50912680792662150582013-01-05T18:48:57.156-05:002013-01-05T18:48:57.156-05:00Steve,
As I understand it you are 'on the mon...Steve, <br />As I understand it you are 'on the money'... <br />I would posit that evidence from O/S suggests two things.<br />First the murder rate has more to do with extreme in equity and particularly the extreme poverty/deprivation of the poor.<br />I find balled stats (those lacking contexts) as 'the murder rate' so generalised as to be ripe for abuse/ deliberate misinterpretation to suit a private agenda (NRA).<br />e.g. If one bothers to examine the Australian figures (they have enforced firearm CONTROL laws)one finds that their murder rate is lower it isn't extraordinarily so (relatively speaking).<br />BUT what is conveniently ignored by the NRA is proportion of 'Firearm related deaths' (note the wording) are included in the murder rate.This is simply because of the way stats are collected. For the more nuanced in the audience this includes accidental deaths and suicides.<br />Secondly the larger amounts of actual Fire arm murders in Aust. are Criminal on Criminal. Very few bystander etc. And it's been nearly 20 years since there was a mass shooting of innocents e.g. Hook Creek et al.And even before that such mass murders were Like hen's teeth (rare! 3 since the 1960's and only one where the number of victims exceeded 8).<br />It is not unreasonable to suggest that in all the countries you mentioned the major driving force behind the firearm deaths/ murders are poverty/ deprivation of opportunities to rise above it by 'reasonable' means. This can be demonstrated by plotting the areas where most base level crime is worse(the low rent areas). <br />Interesting it has been noted when public housing is dispersed, integrated into middle class areas the children statistically tend to do better than in ghettoised poverty...the answer is the availability of opportunity (local prejudices aside). <br />Examinatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08990595916031900662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-27214059309084708912013-01-05T16:56:19.769-05:002013-01-05T16:56:19.769-05:00Other third-world aspects of a gun in every school...Other <a href="http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/nra_school_20130104/" rel="nofollow">third-world aspects</a> of a gun in every school. It's a win-win situation for the feudalists.M. Bouffanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04519088858760760560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-66126547895877972652013-01-05T12:03:10.032-05:002013-01-05T12:03:10.032-05:00Steve,
You're completely reading this situatio...Steve,<br />You're completely reading this situation wrong.<br /><br />What no one wants to talk about, is that the gun problems in Latin America stem from the ipso facto fact that they speak Latin, and not American.<br /><br />If they spoke "Gool Ol' Homeland" American, those countries would be just as safe as we armed Americans are in our ever up-arming America!<br /><br />How do you translate and conjugate, "Don't shoot me! I'm good guy!!!", into Latin?<br /><br />I'll give you XXX seconds.<br />GO! Victorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06609452382111686086noreply@blogger.com