tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post2912333990988587663..comments2023-10-24T09:06:30.200-04:00Comments on No More Mister Nice Blog: THE "EMBATTLED WHITES" PROBLEM IS WORSE IN AMERICA THAN IN BRITAIN, AND TRUMP'S STILL LOSINGSteve M.http://www.blogger.com/profile/11963290427258439242noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-72734549304041208842016-06-27T19:42:58.426-04:002016-06-27T19:42:58.426-04:00Lincoln was a anti-egalitarian deportationist, tho...Lincoln was a anti-egalitarian deportationist, though also a tyrant and Washington an ethnic supremacist. Both would probably object to the historicist slant in any regard.KenRighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02861276158382647529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-25261863157507597522016-06-27T08:49:18.469-04:002016-06-27T08:49:18.469-04:00I do get a chuckle at the thought of these petulan...I do get a chuckle at the thought of these petulant white dogs and their backyard militias pointing their pop-guns at the US Army.Ten Bearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06594307610015584119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-10059483099193009022016-06-27T07:54:13.337-04:002016-06-27T07:54:13.337-04:00Ken, If any petulant "embattled" white g...Ken, If any petulant "embattled" white guys really want to go down that road, kindly remind them that since the days of general George Washington, our federal central government knows how to handle them. This is not a new idea. Tougher, better men than them have tried it and died, or lived to regret it. I'm not even talking about the civil war.<br />petrillihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17889489779105405703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-60115699337481304282016-06-26T22:05:36.616-04:002016-06-26T22:05:36.616-04:00Feud,
I meant the Nate Silver's of the world....Feud,<br /><br />I meant the Nate Silver's of the world. <br /><br />I liked your post. It was an interesting take on pollsters.rclzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866339978349617188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-47624294201134409792016-06-26T16:39:51.173-04:002016-06-26T16:39:51.173-04:00Yo, Ken
THIS white doesn't feel the least bit...Yo, Ken<br /><br />THIS white doesn't feel the least bit "embattled" over the US's changing demographics. Pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels that way, too.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741578725880869865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-3789595407762965132016-06-26T15:37:52.075-04:002016-06-26T15:37:52.075-04:00Hey, Ken, there's a lot of unclaimed real esta...Hey, Ken, there's a lot of unclaimed real estate in Antarctica, and it's really, really white there. You and your buddies should look into it.Never Ben Betterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17814767173601107270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-21115301480111531452016-06-26T15:11:55.127-04:002016-06-26T15:11:55.127-04:00Well, Ken, that could be something certain sub-mor...Well, Ken, that could be something certain sub-morons call for at some point in the distant future, but even should that come to pass the response of the overwhelming majority of all Americans is and always will be "STFU," not "GTFO". Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16959702099182463084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-35146056368420647032016-06-26T15:11:31.005-04:002016-06-26T15:11:31.005-04:00relz - Who is this "they"?
If by "...relz - Who is this "they"?<br /><br />If by "they" you mean pollsters per se, IMO its not useful to discuss pollsters categorically. IMO pollsters fall into several categories:<br /><br />1) the saallest group of objective academics,<br />2) the largest group of custom piece-work technicians,<br />3) a tweener group of propagandists good at deceptive practices<br />4) another tweener group of propagandists transparently bad at deception.<br /><br />The first 3 of those groups know it's not possibly to capture cell-phone only CPO voters directly like land line only LLO or types who have and use both. Instead, you have to be smart to ingenious in resorting to indirect measures and be preapred to exercise heightened perspicacity, because it requires resorting to consciously manipulated poll bases and to online polls.<br /><br />There's a group related more to #2 thaa any other, poll aggregators, who take what I like to call a Richard Feynman-like Sums Over Infinities approach, basically saying, fuck all that noise I'm just going to stack them all up and measure how tall. It's obviously more sophisticated than that, but among if not the actual best is Sam Wang at PEC so you'd be better off checking with him than expecting me to explain and defend that approach. Mainly what Sam and Nate Silver and the other aggregators have going for them is ridiculously reliable results corrected with high numbers of polls, like you get with a presidential race.<br /><br />If "they" is GOP/phone and Interet pollsters, they either don't want to hear about it now because they believe that reality enervates their base, or from a technical POV want to know how and where to concentrate their vote theft. <br /><br />Steve M., there's a very respectable argument that the WaPo poll isn't an outlier at all, but simply the product of a deliberate guess as to what the general electorate will end up looking like this cycle.<br /><br />I'm actually way more leery of the NBC poll, which to me looks like a by-product of combining overly self-conscious centrist backwash (something NBC and MSNBC seem to favor especially, given the prominence there of Chuck Todd, Andrea Mitchell, Chris Mathews and Brian Williams) and possibly a bit of reverse push polling (something else Todd in particular is known for). At this point, I wouldn't trust any NBC polling partnership with any pollster outside the first group.Feud Turgidsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05379322096770703017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-31478316964492521192016-06-26T15:00:08.730-04:002016-06-26T15:00:08.730-04:00One can certainly make the argument that, consider...One can certainly make the argument that, considering the past rapid demo- graphical retreat since circa 1950, America's embattled whites will not summon enough fight until they are the literal minority and then separatism will be the only viable political choice. Not segregation, separatism and formal surrender of certain geographical areas.KenRighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02861276158382647529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-82126720065338251782016-06-26T13:57:01.958-04:002016-06-26T13:57:01.958-04:00my only concern about polling is if they've f...my only concern about polling is if they've figured out that they need to poll cell phone users who no longer have land lines. That becomes a bigger chunk every year and I worry there is a surprise in that box.rclzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866339978349617188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3856837.post-12585331882321851522016-06-26T12:30:11.335-04:002016-06-26T12:30:11.335-04:00"Does this mean Trump can't win? No -- th..."Does this mean Trump can't win? No -- the Post/ABC poll is somewhat of an outlier". Excuse me Steve but Reuters/IPSOS has Hillary up 13. Does that mean may be WaPo is the "real"outlier. And as far as undercounting you know as well as I do that "Zip code prejudice" in polls undercounts minorities. Which means Hillary is probably being undercounted. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14006984334289913006noreply@blogger.com